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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

B**tards should be struck off not suspended

45 replies

Norther · 21/06/2018 01:31

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-44523086e

Hope that link works.

Bartered medication for sex with orphans! We want names and their medical licences revoked.

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WomanWithAltitude · 21/06/2018 07:26

I'm totally with you, this is appalling. Sexually predatory behaviour should lead to being struck off.

Boooommm · 21/06/2018 07:30

I've reported your post that said it was the medical staff as it's factual incorrect. unless you have another report on it? That said it is so wide spread. I don't know if it's relevant or not but the article does not clarify it is if it is foreign logistical workers or local logistical workers using prostitutes.
The whole thing is sadly not surprising at all. I spent some time working in various areas of Africa Kenya, Gambia, Nigeria) and the open Use of prostitutes by locals and tourists was wide spread. Quite a few places particularly tourist destinations had older predominantly German women with young men as there holiday boyfriend. Was very depressing. Obviously the added medicine element makes it all the more sick.

RubyShooFan · 21/06/2018 07:33

Struck off? They should just be repeatedly struck.

The worst thing about all this is that people are actually surprised that as safeguarding has improved in this country paedophiles and other sorts of abusive men have just moved abroad to find vulnerable victims. Any career, organisation, space with vulnerable women and children is just a magnet for these type of people, why do people not know this?

PastaOfMuppets · 21/06/2018 07:36

Holy Jesus
Good idea @Typeractive. Mine stopping too. Repugnant in every way.

FermatsTheorem · 21/06/2018 08:05

Sadly that means my donation has to stop too.

Fuck. This really casts the world's misogyny into sharp relief, doesn't it? The obvious solution would be an all female charity (pace comments about female tourists upthread - but however disgusting that is, they're not in the position to back up taking advantage of financial inequality with physical violence).

Yet (coming to the lovely catch 22) MSF works in war zones - and all female staff would not be safe.

AntiqueOlive · 21/06/2018 08:27

Its really depressing. I've been encouraging my humanitarian hearted son to go into this field of work. Inspite of accusations of International Aid being an "industry" it seemed to me that it's heart was in the right place and it was "different", and that CEO salaries etc could be justified for the good work being done ( and good work is being done) However recently things coming to light proves it's as riddled with top down misogyny as other industries.

stillathing · 21/06/2018 08:43

The catch 22 is awful isn't it. But I don't know if I can continue to support them. Privileged men who abuse behind the cloak of being a hero are the absolute worst. How can society ever move forwards when it's supposedly enlightened men act like this?

invisibleoldwoman · 21/06/2018 08:48

And I really thought Medicins Sans Frontieres were the good guys. Sigh. Any money I have for charity is going to organisations/people I know now. And especially Women's Rights organisations.

And yes to what boatyardblues said. Any situation where the safeguarding procedures are lax will attract predators. We know this.

FloralBunting · 21/06/2018 08:53

Surely men wouldn't go into hugely dangerous situations just so they could abuse vulnerable women? It hardly seems likely that they would go to such lengths. We must all be imagining this story being repeated again and again with different players.

I'm sorry, I can't seem to turn my sarcasm button off this morning.

Those poor women.

JoyTheUnicorn · 21/06/2018 09:05

I'd like to say I'm surprised, but I'm really not.
It does make me wonder what proportion of men would be predatory under the right (or wrong, should be!) circumstances. I suspect more than we think.

Keisa29 · 21/06/2018 13:48

Just to be clear - it wasn't doctors or medical staff, the BBC allegations relate to logisticians. And the comment above saying aidworkers “bartered medication for sex with orphans” isn’t what the BBC alleges. I work for MSF and I'm so sad to hear about these allegations. I think there’s a clear problem in the aid sector with people not reporting incidents of inappropriate behaviour. That’s not to take away from the fact that MSF does amazing lifesaving work around the world.

Pluckedpencil · 21/06/2018 22:20

Trouble is, it DOES take away from the work you all do. Be angry at those men for that, not us. They abused the people that were there to look after. That's as cynical and callous as it gets. The BBC calls them proatitues, the witness calls them 'extremely young'. The word prostitute is bandied around, but when you are desperate, it means nothing. And those men should know that better than anyone. They are a disgrace and the worst bit is the charity and therefore the Africans will suffer, not them personally.

Ineedacupofteadesperately · 21/06/2018 22:30

Oh FFS, I liked MSF and donated to them. No more. Women's rights organisations all the way for me now.

AngryAttackKittens · 21/06/2018 23:04

Those poor girls: losing their parents to Ebola, being raped in return for medication and then mocked as 'easy'.

This is how men do humanitarianism.

Yep. And then some people act like women are being unreasonable to be distrustful of men as a group.

Typeractive · 22/06/2018 22:04

I received this arse-covering reply to my email today. It's a load of mealy-mouthed prevarication in my view. They don't even deign to mention the abused women...

Thank you Ms * for informing us of the cancellation of your support of Médecins Sans Frontières (MSF). We appreciate you sharing your concerns in relation to our safeguarding processes and procedures following the recent media coverage on the BBC.

We have also been shocked and sadden by the allegations that have been brought to us. We know that MSF is not immune to these issues and we take any reports seriously. We have mechanisms in place to prevent, detect and address staff misconduct and abuse; and have looked into the claims put to us by the BBC as far as we are able, but the lack of detail provided has made this difficult. Based on the information provided so far, we have been unable to confirm the specific allegations made in the BBC report. We have been urging anyone with any concerns to report them via MSF’s confidential whistleblowing mechanisms so that we can take appropriate action.

MSF has codes of conduct, procedures and behavioural review committees in place, including whistle blowing mechanisms, through which all members of staff can report inappropriate behaviour or abuse – with a range of sanctions available, ranging from warnings or suspension to dismissal.

Systems in place to guard against such behaviour range from careful selection at recruitment stage, including obtaining background checks on all staff that go to the field, to preparation for departure in attending a week's induction which covers issues such as:

abuse of power
cross-cultural culture and communication

stress management

resilience
living together

Staff from our behavioural committees regularly visit our field projects to raise awareness around issues of misconduct and abuse.

We welcome the current scrutiny as this is what enables change in and beyond MSF. Listening to the experiences of our staff encourages more people to talk about these issues. It discourages unacceptable behaviour and encourages individuals to report it when it does occur.

We are deeply saddened that in this case the people the BBC has spoken to have not felt able to come forward. While we have reporting mechanisms in place where complaints can be made, we know we need to do more to ensure that they are known, trusted and used by the people who need them. Underreporting is a key challenge as those affected may not come forward for fear of not being believed or being stigmatised. Unfortunately, this is as true in MSF as it is in wider society.

I hope that reassures you that we are treating the issue with the attention and importance required.

Popchyk · 22/06/2018 22:42

Keisa29

"I think there’s a clear problem in the aid sector with people not reporting incidents of inappropriate behaviour".

That makes it seem like the fault of those people in MSF who don't abuse women.

And people do report these incidences of what you call inappropriate behaviour. And nothing gets done or they are threatened with being fired. Or they are sexually harassed themselves. Because most of the predators are senior in the organisation.

Do you think any of the predatory men are to blame for their own actions? Or is it the fault of their colleagues who failed report their abuse properly?

Ineedacupofteadesperately · 22/06/2018 23:59

It's so depressing. I hate how all the news reports of these type of scandals where western men working for charities rape local women and girls describe the abused as "sex workers" or "prostitutes" as I think this really downplays the abuse and imbalance of power.

Popchyk · 23/06/2018 09:57

Sex for medication.

That's such a free choice.

WellThisIsShit · 23/06/2018 15:14

That’s an awful reply. Ffs. They’re busy blaming everyone else but the abusers and err, themselves. Words fail.

Popchyk · 23/06/2018 15:48

Yes, the real issue is with those people who notice the abuse.

Seems quite a clear message from MSF to its staff members. Try to complain about abuse and all our focus will be on you and how you are in the wrong.

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