TransMen Inclusive Radical Feminist (TMIRC)

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Do you think that those who throw the usual 'Trans Exclusive Radical Feminist' slur realise that actually they are the ones who are being exclusionary?

When feminists want to talk about menstruation or pregnancy or breastfeeding etc, because these are singularly female experiences, transmen are automatically included in those discussions because they are female?

Shouldn't the counter argument be that, actually, GC feminists are TMIRCs (TransMen Inclusionary Radical Feminists)?

Women are not human shields

This! This a million times

Can someone explain to me what the 'rational' part means?

I see/read nothing whatsoever 'rational' about any of this.

So has the word 'rational' got a different meaning when related to this topic?

“When I use a word,” Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, “it means just what I choose it to mean—neither more nor less.”
“The question is,” said Alice, “whether you can make words mean so many different things.”
“The question is,” said Humpty Dumpty, “which is to be master—that’s all.”

By erasing trans men's identity and claiming they are women, you're the opposite of trans inclusive.

What's that film with Sandra Bullock? You know the one where her identity is stolen? The Net I think.

OP - have you done all that with every man's identity? You naughty girl.

FIFAF
Feminism is for all females?

'Erasing identity'?

You mean articulating the knowledge that they are in material fact, female, rather than lying to them and to everyone else about it?

The only thing being erased is biology and truth.

By erasing trans men's identity and claiming they are women, you're the opposite of trans inclusive.

Why is said identity so fragile that it can be "erased" by anyone who doesn't agree?

Answer-because the identity is a delusion and depends on other people lying to "validate" it.

It's like 'claiming they are women'

Well they are. Not much we can do about that. Don't shoot the messenger.

If you haven't seen this article on how trans men experience sexism, then it's worth a read. Really gives an insight as to the role of socialisation. They notice the sexism because they know what it's like to grow up with it. It's a little frustrating because of the liberal use of confusing sex and gender, and phrases like "when I was in the female body" (because, all due respect, it's still a female body, but has been virilised with external androgens)...

The most eye-opening quotes:

Many trans men I spoke with said they had no idea how rough women at work had it until they transitioned. As soon as they came out as men, they found their missteps minimized and their successes amplified. Often, they say, their words carried more weight: They seemed to gain authority and professional respect overnight. They also saw confirmation of the sexist attitudes they had long suspected: They recalled hearing female colleagues belittled by male bosses, or female job applicants called names.

For Milan, male friendship has been mostly positive, but occasionally alarming. While he says most cisgender men he meets are fairly respectful of women even behind closed doors, he’s also noticed what he describes as a culture of toxic masculinity. “I’ve heard men say things about slapping a woman or cheating on women in the most brutal ways and think it’s okay,” Milan says.

“Being privy to the conversations that men have amongst themselves really does give me an indication of how they think about women,” he says. “And sometimes it can be really scary.”

time.com/transgender-men-sexism/

I prefer ‘PERF’ - ‘Penis Exclusionary Radical Feminists’ - it’s got nothing to do with being trans or not, really.

I just don’t want penis-havers in the women’s communal showers at the swimming baths.

(although I’m not sure I really qualify as rad fem yet. Inching closer to it day by day. For now I’m sticking with ‘Gender Atheist’ as my personal descriptor.