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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Would you have transitioned if you were a child today?

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isabeltydoria · 17/06/2018 09:25

This question was asked on another forum, but I wanted to copy my answer here too and ask it here too (I hope that's okay?)

Would you have transitioned if you were a child today?

Just a yes or no would be interesting if you don't feel like commenting further; I'll put my (long!) reply into a comment.

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2rebecca · 17/06/2018 21:06

I agree with Kinsley (?spelling) that sexuality is a continuum (unlike sex which is binary unless you are one of the

JuzzaL · 17/06/2018 21:13

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catkind · 17/06/2018 21:13

Why would it be obvious daim? No reason a bisexual woman (dictionary definition) couldn't be married to a lesbian (dictionary definition) or another bisexual woman. You define who your pool of potential partners is but language defines the word for that type of attraction. The problem here is we have a major disagreement on language because I say (as does my dictionary) that woman means biological sex female, but you I think are saying it means something quite different from that.

JuzzaL · 17/06/2018 21:17

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dickxydoraxx · 17/06/2018 21:19

No.
100

No.
100% No.

I was a tomboy back in the day.
Thank fuck I had NORMAL LOVING PARENTS who realised I was just a tomboy and i was allowed to grow up as I wished.

Today, I am a very happy woman, who is a mother to 3 children. Yes, I'm still a tomboy. but I didn't have dickwad parents who would have encouraged me onto the hormone therapy trans pathway.
Thankyou to my wonderful parents.

Thanks for not failing me.

RatRolyPoly · 17/06/2018 21:20

Sexuality is more complicated, sexual orientation isn't.

Oh sorry, I meant sexual orientation is a tad bit more complicated than the labels "gay", "straight", "lesbian" and "bisexual".

Because it is.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/KINSEY_SCALE

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Klein_Sexual_Orientation_Grid

JuzzaL · 17/06/2018 21:23

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RatRolyPoly · 17/06/2018 21:28

a bisexual woman mostly attracted to women is still bisexual

I've slept with women, I would again. But I'm not bisexual. I couldn't have the same longterm, committed sexual relationships with women that I have with men. I was a teenager at the time when we were taught that this sort of incidental "soft" same-sex attraction does not make one bi; and that that would be offensive to those who are genuinely equally bisexual. And I think that's right, actually.

2blueshoes · 17/06/2018 21:29

I was a tomboy of the 70's. Liked playing with my neighbours action man, climbing trees, dungarees were my clothes of choice, hated dresses. But I never wanted to be a boy, I wouldn't have known what transitioning was. I grew out of this as I approached my teenage years.

So I'm glad I didn't know what it was, I'm glad my parents didn't assume I was a boy trapped in a girls body. It worries me that people could be quick to jump on the bandwagon.

Been with DH 33 years, 3 children.

RatRolyPoly · 17/06/2018 21:29

Lol at a lesbian pissing all over bisexual people.

daimbars · 17/06/2018 21:29

Basically a person is out of order for defining their own sexuality. The only person who has authority on the matter is @JuzzaL

JuzzaL · 17/06/2018 21:41

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mancheeze · 17/06/2018 21:48

I don't think my working class parents would've transed me even tho I showed many GNC tendencies that in today's culture, might've qualified.

I was athletic and strong and spent all day out in the woods but had long hair. I don't think my parents would've entertained the idea that I was a boy. I didn't like wearing dresses although I would on holidays.

I think my working class background would've saved my ass from being dragged to a gender clinic. My parents would've probably thought gender clinics were money pits since both my parents were Independent voters in the US and were Nader fans (consumer protection savvy)

RatRolyPoly · 17/06/2018 21:51

A lot of bisexual people don't like having their sexuality erased

And a lot of them don't like having it equating to being actually straight (you know, what with only being interested in having longterm relationships with men) but feeling sufficiently attracted to women for "fun". Cos in anybody's book, calling that "bisexual" takes the piss out of bi people's sexuality just a tiny bit, don't you think?

I agree with daim, sexual orientation can only be self-determined.

RatRolyPoly · 17/06/2018 21:52

I think you just wet yourself, Rat.

Nah, I had c sections. And I do my kegels.

dickxydoraxx · 17/06/2018 21:55

I can't help thinking that the parents of today who have been brainwashed by the transactivist groups into making their children take hormone blockers etc, will possibly regret it in the future and their children will HATE them, and think ''why did you not protect me and guide me instead of pandering to the latest trend'

Hmmm

JuzzaL · 17/06/2018 22:01

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Rufustheyawningreindeer · 17/06/2018 22:21

although being married to another natal women should have given the game away really

Well not really

LassWiADelicateAir · 17/06/2018 22:27

The male , gay friends with whom I have discussed the idea that no one is 100% gay or straight were entirely unconvinced. As I am. No one seeks to deny some people are bisexual- so why do some people insist no one can be 100% heterosexual or homosexual?

I greatly admired Stevie Nicks when I was a teenager - but I wanted to look like her/be her- not sleep with her. There are many women I think are beautiful and stylish but again I would want to copy their looks. I have no sexual attraction to them.

Yambabe · 17/06/2018 23:02

No. I was a tomboy. I preferred things that, in the 1970s, were considered "boys things".

But I never wanted to be a boy, I was never in doubt of my own femaleness. I just wanted the freedom to be able to do boy stuff as well as girl stuff. I couldn't understand why certain things were "for boys" and I was excluded from them.

SweetGrapes · 17/06/2018 23:13

No. Not me. I wanted the boy stuff because that was all the good stuff but I hated boys - never wanted to be one.

But my sister insisted she was a boy for years. She would have gone for the puberty blockers, surgery... everything. Thank god she was born then and not now.

2rebecca · 17/06/2018 23:53

The Kinsey scale doesn't erase bisexuality. I think it normalises it by saying many people have a degree of bisexuality.
I don't care what sex of person someone is attracted to. I think that's their business and for most people that isn't the most important thing about them.
I do care about people claiming to be the opposite sex

bd67th · 18/06/2018 00:24

Drumknott: I don’t think an utter phobia of being pregnant or a female feeling like they should have been born a gay male is that common tbh.

I have the former and, for the first 30 years of my life, the latter too. I decided to be child-free at age 13, asked my mum at age 6 whether cutting my hair short would make me a boy, started periods at 8 and was sexually assaulted at 9. If someone like Mermaids had told me that I could be a boy, I'd have jumped at it to escape girlhood hell, sexist stereotyping, and sexual objectification. I still sometimes involuntarily visualise myself myself as male during sex or masturbation. I also have a crapton of internalised misogyny that I am working my way through: I am not and never can meaningfully be an "honorary man" because men will revoke that status as soon as I'm at all inconvenient. And what's wrong with being a woman, other than the huge bags of fat on my chest that get in the way, periods, pregnancy risk, and how women are treated by others on the basis of our sex? If I wasn't treated like a sex object or bimbo, I would find the breasts tolerable. The periods and pregnancy risk are fixable with a frameless levonorgestrel IUD. The clitoris is certainly a delightful benefit of this body, that I might had compromised by genital surgery had I transitioned.

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