Do trans people have their own forums that welcome feminists?

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I'm wondering if there is a reciprocal situation.
Mumsnet was primarily set up for women (although it is public and all are welcome), and the feminism board in particular is for discussion of female rights.
We have always had a few male posters, some goady, some not, and we engage/tolerate/ignore as is fitting.

Mnhq is now going to quire extraordinary lengths to ensure that anyone who is born male and opposed to gender critical views on the board is made to feel welcome, down to moderating the words we may and may not use when discussing people who are the opposite sex to us. Its very important to MNHQ that people with opposing views are made to feel welcome here.

Are any of our regular trans posters wiling to offer a reciprocal welcome to gender critical feminists to their version of 'transnet' or equivalent?
Maybe this debate shouldn't always be on our feminist turf all the time.

Will transpeople reciprocate so that we can discuss and debate on your forums?

If I may say so Barraker, that's an awfully reasonable suggestion in a womanly kind of way.
I'm intrigued to see if any invites come flooding in.

Oh, a trans forum where they tried to respect our —reality— feelings? Now there’s a thought.

Could anyone be bothered to set up yet another email account to join Angels ? And you can't even read it unless you join, any more. Plus rules dressed up as 'respect'. Plus the dreary tosh you'd have to wade through.

I read some threads before it closed off, and they seemed ok, like they would not tolerate die in a fire and all that. But no. Still no. Even to see what the latest tactics and narrative is. Wouldn't want to.

I'm amazed by the brave women who delve into the darkest places (not Angels, but horrible TRA once pkaces) to show us what lies at the heart of the movement. It must leave a mark.

On Facebook the transgender inclusive groups ban anyone who does not promote the interests of men or use the affirming language transgender require. Including transgender people who do not submit.

Reddit is a huge place but authoritarian males control most subreddits with the exception of Gender_Critical and Gender Critical, both of which are closely modded.
There is a LGBT forum where the discussion the last time I was there consisted of transgender people talking about their penis and Gays and Lesbians telling them to shut the fuck up, also lamenting about how the forum had been taken over.

So, as far as I know the answer is no. Men do not tolerate women in their spaces. If women comment on AVFM they will doxx you, and they are not the only ones who will do so.

No is the short answer.

Is avfm angels

No, sorry. That is the MRA site A Voice For Men.

MnHQ isn't 'feminist turf' though

AFAIK many of the trans forums are hideously pornographic.

Because um, guess why.

Not even subreddits promoting their cause. I’ve seen libfem diehards get banned for not adhering 100% to their bully bullshit.

MnHQ isn't 'feminist turf' though

They have a feminism board. That's feminist turf. And if I kept going into the litter tray and complaining about them talking about cats, I'd be deleted, and banned if I persisted.

The thing is - as shown by the FWR wars of yore - is that MN doesn't see itself as a feminist site, and more than it sees itself as a doglovers site, or a style and beauty site. That there are feminist topics is not defining of the site, and more than there are education or politics topics.

If you want to examine how feminist sites deal with trans issues, then MN is not a terribly applicable example, no matter how much people may wish it were.

Trans forums aren't expected to debate their stance, from what I can see they are there so transpeople can talk about their feelings and experiences.

I thought that's why FWR was set up - for women to talk about our wants, needs and experiences. But it seems to have morphed into a place where we have to justify our wants, needs and experiences.

Sorry for being dim, did we get an answer to this from our trans friends?

They don't tolerate any dissent and escalate aggressively against GCs who try to have a discussion on their forums. I wish they would stick to their own turf - but that would be a reasonable response - and as we have seen, some men know no limits on their behaviour and entitlement.

Check out Angels forum, they've even hidden the media section so people can't see them fight. I can really see them welcoming us there even though some of them have been here to tell us how we all do feminism wrong. It's a joke!

They chant "no t*rfs on our turf". But they can invade OUR turf and turn it into theirs.

That's sex discrimination.

On a few of the broader facebook groups, I have seen them turn quite strongly on their libfem allies if the libfems fail to address them with the deference they command (eg not going along with the 'most oppressed group on the planet').

Yes I've seen this too.

I used to read and post on several trans fora back in the day. I took a very neutral information gathering/ research stance and was very up front about my motives (not GC - information gathering for gender research). I didn’t receive any heat for it, and there were often a lot of people wanting to tell their stories (also offering to meet up in RL and come to social events etc).
The only time I received active rebuttal was when we were looking for an invite to an MTF support evening. We (one woman one man, neither trans) were originally invited with open arms. When it became apparent that I was a woman, my invitation was rescinded. Immediately.
I suspect vetting for these fora is much tighter now. And less welcoming.
There were always a vast number of male ‘allies’ crawling around fawning though. All desperate for a shag with the ‘beautiful girls’ although that was never voiced. Just lots of effusive admiration. I’m assuming there were a lot of pms hooking up. The competitive fawning was pretty grim. Just admit you are a bloke who wants to shag a bloke - the repressed homosexuality was bizarre.

Sounds like Data Lounge before the purge.

I’m a member of Feminists Against Transphobia - its run by some well known TW. I mostly just keep quiet and watch. I joined with good intentions but the control and conversations just made me more gender critical.