It's simple to me

[MrsTerryPratchett]

Alright, I don't normally make a fuss on here. But this is the thing, there are a few things I want. Tell me how I get them without being labelled transphobic.

I want a name for the group of people with XX chromosomes and vaginae. Used to be women. I want a name for the oppression of those people. Used to be sexism. I want a movement to liberate those people. Used to be feminism.

I want those people to be able to organise around issues that affect their bodies. I want to talk about abortion, FGM, rape, pregnancy, wage gap, wifework and prostitution without centering people with penises. Formerly known as men. I want us to be able to meet, talk, just be without 'checking our privilege'. Unless it relates to WoC, women with disabilities or lesbians. I'll happily check some shit there.

I want some things that belong to the XX people. Sports, rape crisis centres, prisons, services, homeless shelters, DV shelters and my own bloody vagina. I want to be able to exclude people with penises from those places should I choose.

What are we called now? How can we organise? How can we talk about our experience? Do trans people share common interests and goals? I think they probably do. People with XX chromosomes and vaginae do too. And have been oppressed for thousands of years. Why can't we talk about that any more?

Regarding the names and what we call categories of people, if we move to another word the narcissists will just follow us.

It's not the word that they want... It's the space and the recognition. So we need to stand and claim our words as so many are doing on the spartacus threads.

Intersex people are nothing to do with trans issues it's very very offensive to conflate the two.

Gib doesn't care about that. All Gib cares about is promoting a tawdry misogynistic agenda and silencing women.

Agree with ignoring the transparent attempts to derail.

Tell me how I get them without being labelled transphobic.

You don't. You just continue to name your reality, organise with other women to fight your oppression, get labelled transphobic, and carry on.

At the moment in the world of the extremists, transphobic = against male supremacy. Pointless label.

I want a name for the group of people with XX chromosomes and vaginae.

Well even if for example we all agreed to call ourselves "potentially gestators" someone would be here to tell us we are wrong.

Thanks Gibb for proving my point. Any chance you could start posting in aibu?

Funnily enough, it always happens - quite frankly I'm amazed that MUMSNET has fallen for it.

Gibber you don't half make yourself look daft every single time you post.

We are women. We know that it is sex that drives sexism, not sparkly outward gender presentation.

We know it aged 7, dressed in jeans and t-shirts and trainers, outwardly indistinguishable from our male classmates, the first time a teacher or a kid in the playground says "you can't play football because you're a girl."

We know it aged 12, when we first start to sprout breasts and get wolf-whistled by creepy male paedophiles in the street - regardless of how we are dressed.

We know it aged 16 when we have a male IT teacher trying to put us off studying computing.

We know it aged 23 when we go for a job interview and see the guy on the interview panel eyeing the engagement ring and mentally calculating how long it will be before we go on maternity leave (even if we are infertile or don't want children - he doesn't have x-ray vision to see this, he just assumes on the basis of our sex).

We know it aged 32 when we have a child and our career tanks.

We know it aged 48 when we go through the menopause and become invisible - not just in sexual contexts, but in all contexts, because we suddenly realise a lot of men don't see women as human, they see us as sex objects who may quite coincidentally have some human traits - but when the sexiness disappears, so does the rest of us, a bit like the Cheshire cat.

We know this. We live this, every day. For our whole lives. We want to be able to talk about this.

I agree with Artemis7

Not everyone with a vagina is XX. You seem to be trying to create a new protected characteristic based on genotype. That's very disturbing

You just proved my point, that's the bloody irony. We can't use the very serviceable word 'woman' which included pretty much everyone with a vagina and XX chromosomes. Sex is very easy to define. There are outliers, like intersex people, who I am completely and totally happy to agree with their self-definition, and pee with, access services with and have the sports bodies decide in the case of elite sports. Rather than throw under the bus to make a point.

Sex is a definable category. One without which we wouldn't have a human race.

Don't worry I've reported Gibbs on every thread she's posted on , sooner or later she'll be banned!

what LangCleg said.

when every damn thing is transphobic, including holding an opinion whilst having a vagina, the term becomes invalid.

stop caring about people who call us transphobic. they're talking bobbins.

FermatsTheorem

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Oh I'm sure people think I'm transphobic regardless of my careful language.

What I want an answer to, and maybe Gib could give one, is whether it is inherently transphobic to want to defend and support my SEX rather than my gender. Talk about childbirth injuries, FGM, BFing, rape as class issues.

Gibb I'm sure the XX people can rub along fine with the XO people, the XXX people and the androgen insensitive XY people - we've been doing it for centuries after all.

*I think history has taught us, that when men want something that women have, they will stop at nothing to get it."

Men don't want us to organise, to meet, to have anything of our own. They really don't.

It always saddens and amazes me the lengths men will go to to stop the liberation of women and girls.

The gradual erasure of women is very worrisome, it's like stepford wives but with men instead of robots .

mrsTP FermatsTheorem
Yes!

Thank goodness Gibber has come along to educate us all. I thought we weren’t going to get any answers then. Phew. Debate over.

Just speak to people about it in real life

It’s time we got this out there