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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Raising boys

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tryingtodateagain · 14/06/2018 20:13

So my child is growing up in a world where:

Liking pink might mean he's a girl really
His willy might be a girls one or might be a boys one
He may have a cervix - it's unclear since you know a willy might mean your a real girl or a real boy
Liking blue and pink might mean he isn't a girl or a boy, it's possible he can be both at the same time
If he is sexually attracted to girls he might be a lesbian
If he is sexually attracted to boys he might actually be straight

What else? Clearly I'm transphobic to be concerned. What other "transphobic to correct" facts should I be worrying about?

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VaggieMight · 14/06/2018 20:26

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tryingtodateagain · 14/06/2018 20:28

Oh yes that's true. It's possible all those doctors who saved our lives with the EMCS were mistaken on what they put down he was

I really should have just done the C section myself tbh since I don't know if they could get that right

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tryingtodateagain · 14/06/2018 20:36

Why are there 4 women, 6 men and the women change shape but men are all the same on that chart?

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grasspigeons · 14/06/2018 20:37

im actually dreading this topic coming up at secondary and someone convincing my son he is a girl.

he likes lots of things traditionally associated with the female gender - this is because he is just enthusiastic about life in general and likes all sorts of things. he just cant enough of anything from sewing to football to cooking - and because my whole family are very much toys are toys so didn't get all uncomfortable if he picked up a doll.

I just don't want someone telling him that he is really a girl because he just sees pink as a colour and can sew.

Littletreefrog · 14/06/2018 20:41

Is it my eyes or does that chart show your girlyness is proportional to the tinyness of your waist?

grasspigeons · 14/06/2018 20:43

why does 4 have no hair and 5 get a bun

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tryingtodateagain · 14/06/2018 20:46

@grasspigeons it's terrifying. My son is the same - I've always let him play with what he wanted to never told him he couldn't have the pink doll or the blue toy car etc

The next generation is going to be so fucking confused. And potentially full of hormones to remodel themselves.

Oh and your only a pink girly girl if you have an hourglass figure- see chart. In fact you might be fucking Barbie.

I'm off to develop an eating disorder and book some plastic surgery as I love pink...

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tryingtodateagain · 14/06/2018 20:58

If I put a link to my PayPal in this post will you all donate to me for my plastic surgery?

I've overspent atm you see and my identity crisis means I'm in need of my fans money for trivial things

I'll also let you know the number of the pub I'm in drinking my concerns away in case you want to pay for my drinks 🍹

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tryingtodateagain · 14/06/2018 21:02

This is the way to go. In case I have confused anyone by prior post.

I get my ideas on twitter

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Kettlepotblackagain · 14/06/2018 21:17

I have a son too. I may add the following to your list of things I will let him know...

  • Just because he doesn’t have periods, doesn’t mean he is not female. Having a period is a female ‘experience’ it’s not about bleeding
  • There’s no such thing as ‘women’s’ cancer so he needs to be educated to be alert for any warning signs for uterine, ovarian or cancer of the vagina/vulva
  • Each time he fills in a form, he will be asked to choose from an ever ranging array of identities. One I heard about had 26 categories for gender, apparently, Facebook has 56 www.slate.com/blogs/future_tense/2014/02/13/facebook_custom_gender_options_here_are_all_56_custom_options.html?via=gdpr-consent
  • in History he will learn that women’s rights groups were some hardline female-identifying cis women, who dared to ask for equality with men, but the men soon found a way to remind them their basic rights were a privilege and make sure they knew their place again
  • one day he might ‘feel’ like a man, another a women, and feelings have now taken over objective scientific measurements and research and therefore he can enter any sports competition, any changing room, any hospital ward and he has to know that his ‘feelings’ come first, especially over the feelings of a cis woman
isthistoonosy · 14/06/2018 21:17

It is really sad how it is all going, my son is all about the glitter and pink, and wishes he could be a woman because otherwise what will he do if he doesn't find a lady that's want to be the mummy to his children.

But his nursery staff commend us for letting him wear pink, play with dolls etc and seeing it as as much a positive as his sister wearing blue, climbing trees etc.

'Thankfully they have never come close to suggesting either is trans but as the rest of you I fear it is coming as they get older. For now all we can do is keep telling the kids you can do what you want in life but with the best will in the world you can not change sex.

SuitedandBooted · 14/06/2018 21:22

My son is past this stage, thank god. Who knew Teddy could be genderqueer....

4thwavenow.com/2016/10/12/genderqueer-teddy-bear-teaches-toddlers-proper-pronoun-etiquette/

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tryingtodateagain · 14/06/2018 21:29

Fuck sake I'm gonna have to go ask all his teddies what they self ID as now

Most teddies don't have genitals do they? I'm guessing they will all be genderqueer?

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Kettlepotblackagain · 14/06/2018 21:34

Who the fuck shows that YouTube clip to a toddler?

I was happily reading the Goodnight Stories for Rebel Girls with my daughter a few months back and it includes a boy who is now a girl. I can't remember the name, I'll have to go upstairs to check. I was really pissed off! I haven't broached it with her yet, I feel it's far too confusing to a seven year old and I want her to be PROUD to be a female. I've bought the Boys who Dare to be Different book too for my son (of course they will read each other's too), I wonder if that has a girl who is now a boy..I'll have to double check that...

SpectacularAardvark · 14/06/2018 21:49

This stuff scares me. My DS loves pink and purple, wants his toe nails painted like Mummy and adores his baby doll. DH and I are fine with this, why wouldn't we be? But if anyone dares to suggest it means he is really a girl, I will go apeshit!

tryingtodateagain · 14/06/2018 23:26

I'm gonna self ID as a HOC Hampster. Time TransSpecies came into it so LGB can deal with having T S and R added (species and racial)

Please be careful about my feelings. I am a real Hampster of colour and it is literal violence if you closeminded mumsnet bigots don't agree with me that I AM a Hampster of colour.

I am also species and racial fluid - tomorrow I will be living as a white unicorn 🦄

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megletthesecond · 14/06/2018 23:32

kettle I don't think the Boys Who Dare book has a girl in. (We have both books too).

EnthusiasmIsDisturbed · 15/06/2018 00:11

Ds has just had his puberty class at school

He was taught about periods which he already knew about

But I fear they have taught him incorrectly (and to my shame that I have too) that girls and women have periods

Bad mum Sad

tryingtodateagain · 15/06/2018 18:46

That's awful @EnthusiasmIsDisturbed you should write to the school and complain. Bad mum!

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Tiggerzz · 15/06/2018 21:49

That chart is vile. Does having the curviest and slimmest figure (1) make you 'more' womanly than than the straight up and down figure commonly seen on toilet doors? What does it even mean!?!?!

namechange9357 · 15/06/2018 22:10

on that chart I'm def a 7 - the one doing a baffled shrug.

My preschooler isn't particularly gender conforming - I'd think I'd done a bad job if they were as it would presumably mean we'd imparted all that stereotyped stuff. I do worry about confusion taking hold at school if they are taught that girls have willies, and about what I would say if that did come up.

Terfulike · 15/06/2018 22:30

Why does 7 have wibbly-wobbly arms? I never knew gender identity involved arms.

Tiggerzz · 15/06/2018 22:52

Also why is slim Mr 7 less 'manly' than chunky Mr 10? Does being slim make you more 'womanly' if you're a mam? This is such a nonsense I can't even.

mancheeze · 15/06/2018 23:22

When I was getting my psych degree I did a case study on a 2 yr old boy who grew up without mass media. He was the best behaved, most gentle child I had ever come across.

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