Creationist schools exist, yet the vast majority still know about evolution.

[birdbandit]

This will all pass.

We are all on here, and we know we are not wrong about biology.

There are forums all over the internet where flat earthers "debate" whether it is all a big NASA conspiracy.

There are schools which teach kids that the bible is literally true, people who think that dinosaur bones were put in the earth by the devil to make us not believe in a God.

There are forums again where folk argue that vaccines cause autism, because they don't understand the science. Forums where people are convinced moon landings didn't happen, the queen is a giant lizard and others where they talk about how marvellous it'll be when we are all living in the singularity.

Don't feed the narcs.

Imagine how grim life will be in 5 years for all the spokespersons, when they are no longer being invited to TV studios, no longer fashionable to be getting awards? This is like a Victorian circus where the attractions think they have the power. It is very sad.

Tell your kids the truth, show them, with compassion, the different beliefs people might have. Talk to them about why people might need a belief system to help them. Talk to them about genetics but also about mental health and "care in the community."

Imagine how grim life will be in 5 years for all the spokespersons, when they are no longer being invited to TV studios, no longer fashionable to be getting awards? This is like a Victorian circus where the attractions think they have the power. It is very sad.

YY.

birdbandit

I would agree EXCEPT....

they are getting laws changed;
they are getting rules changed;
they are getting policies changed.

Permanently.

birdbandit

I would agree EXCEPT....

they are getting laws changed;
they are getting rules changed;
they are getting policies changed.

Permanently.

This is my fear... it is true... I still can't quite believe it has happened and am hoping that it has happened under the radar because people were looking the other way/not thinking through the consequences/thought they were being right on as they confused T rights with LGB..... AND I AM HOPING THAT as the wider public realises what has happened, laws and policies will be rolled back....

That Sussex Council will have to stop supporting boys winning girls races, forcing girls to find another sport if they feel uncomfortable....that other things will slowly become fair again as people realise with huge shock what they have allowed happen

What I can't understand is why that isn't beginning to happen more - and why women with power and some good men are not being more outspoken about it... It still doesn't seem to have penetrated public consciousness....WHY NOT?

The problem is notcthat they have a belief. Like you say, there are plenty of batshit beliefs out there - lizard people, chemtrails, all sorts of stuff.
It’s that they are codifying the belief in law.

The only places that do that kind of thing are hellish theocracies.

I do not want to live in one of them. Changes to the law that allow self ID and weaken the EA need to be challenged, robustly. It is much harder to repeal a law than to stop it going through in the first place.

I'm so jaded now that I fear these changes will need to come in, for it to be a massive muck up, for people to take notice.

I'm one of the trans widows, and sadly I know that very few give a hoot until it effects them. Or until enough people are shouting about it effecting them, for others to feel brave enough to join the crowd.

I have hope that time will fix this. It clearly is a very fashionable cause, and while fashion might change, some basic principles stay the same. I don't believe there is a magic solution around the corner to basic biology.

I don't want anyone to go through what my children and I are going through. So if folk are posting online their opinions and preferences, then people can make an informed choice about who they have children with.

And if folk are talking about this, then the truth will out.

I think we have a funny situation where, in much the same way that folk didn't really believe two women could have sex, that folk aren't really understanding the sexual aspect to the sartorial choices for some who fall under the umbrella term.

This is again worth reposting, it is from the DSM V, and I'm certain the moderators (who I feel for!) do not have instruction to delete sections taken directly from current medical textbooks.

Gender Dysphoria (p456)

" Adolescents and adults with late-onset gen­der dysphoria frequently engage in transvestic behavior with sexual excitement . The
majority of these individuals are gynephilic or sexually attracted to other posttransition
natal males with late-onset gender dysphoria. A substantial percentage of adult maleswith late-onset gender dysphoria cohabit with or are married to natal females. After gen­der transition, many self-identify as lesbian ."

"Natal femaleswith the late-onset form do not have co-occurring transvestic behavior with sexual excitement."

P702-704 ‘Transvestic Disorder

Transvestic disorder occurs in heterosexual (or bisexual) adolescent and adult males (rarely in females) for whom cross-dressing behavior generates sexual excitement and causes distress and/or impairment without drawing their primary gender into question. It is occasionally accompanied by gender dysphoria. An individual with transvestic disorder who also has clinically significant gender dysphoria can be given both diagnoses. In many cases of late-onset gender dysphoria in gynephilic natal males, transvestic behavior with sexual excitement is a precursor .’

‘Associated Features Supporting Diagnosis Transvestic disorder in men is often accompanied by autogynephilia (i.e., a male’s paraphilic tendency to be sexually aroused by the thought or image of himself as a woman). Autogynephilic fantasies and behaviors may focus on the idea of exhibiting female physiological functions (e.g., lactation, menstruation), engaging in stereotypically feminine behavior (e.g., knitting), or possessing female anatomy (e.g., breasts).’

‘Specifiers

The presence of fetishism decreases the likelihood of gender dysphoria in men with transvestic disorder. The presence of autogynephilia increases the likelihood of gender dysphoria in men with transvestic disorder .’