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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Big research project to decide if we still need sex as a legal category

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PencilsInSpace · 11/06/2018 10:17

Reforming Legal Gender Identity: A Socio-Legal Evaluation

It started in February and runs for 3 years.

... should gender remain a legal status assigned at birth; and what would be the implications of reforming this?

Our project addresses this question. It critically assesses different options for reform and their complex implications for law, policy and NGO agendas, focusing on the legal jurisdiction of England & Wales, but drawing also on developments in Scotland and overseas.

Research is organised into three consecutive work packages.

The first draws on international developments and activist arguments to outline possible options for reform (for instance, birth certificates with more than two gender options; allowing people to choose a legal gender on maturity; or modes of regulation that are more like sexual orientation and religion which are not, for the most part, formal statuses in English law while still identifying protected equality grounds).

The second work package explores the implications of different reform options. It focuses on what different options mean: for gender-differentiated provision, such as single-sex schools, domestic violence shelters, and women's groups; for diverse equality agendas including ethnic, religious and other equality grounds as well as transgender and women's equality; and for how gender is codified in law, including the key technical and administrative challenges new legislation would face. This second work package also explores public attitudes to reform, and what this can tell us about the significance of legal gender in everyday life.

The final work package draws the research together to understand key points of disagreement and tension regarding reform; and to assess the best reform option for going forward. This recommendation will be elaborated as a draft Bill in light of the data and legal principles of "good reform" to emerge from the research.

I don't know what to say about this yet, it came up on a different thread and looked important enough to have its own thread.

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Procrastinator1 · 11/06/2018 11:09

I despair, this is a Government funded research council. Who sets the agenda?

Pratchet · 11/06/2018 11:10

Can somebody look into the other researchers? I have to start housework.

GardenGeek · 11/06/2018 11:11

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Ineedacupofteadesperately · 11/06/2018 11:17

THIS gets funded by a research council? THIS? When they don't even know the difference between sex and gender?

They say "for gender-differentiated provision, such as single-sex schools" how unbelievably sloppy.

Single SEX schools. Single SEX schools, not single gender. Not a 'feminine' school and a 'masculine' school but single SEX.

Bloody hell. I bet the money going into this could be usefully used by someone who actually understands that very simple distinction, such as people doing research into sex-specific illnesses like ovarian, uterine or prostate cancer. FFS.

Terfulike · 11/06/2018 11:19

Sally Vines signed a public statemnet including these words

"We are committed to recognizing and respecting the complex construction of sexual/gender identity; to recognizing trans* women as women and including them in all women’s spaces; "

feministsfightingtransphobia.wordpress.com/the-statement/

jgrobinson · 11/06/2018 11:25

Prof Hines is the second signatory of the letter to Bristol denouncing WPUK as a platform for hate speech:
openletterbristol.wordpress.com/2018/05/21/freespeech/

One of her recent articles "stresses the importance of rejecting trans-exclusionary feminism and of foregrounding the links between feminism and transgender as a key social justice project of our time."
www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/09589236.2017.1411791

jgrobinson · 11/06/2018 11:29

Note that Prof Hines is at Leeds University. Two students from that university penetrated mumsnet as interns.

Leeds is the home of Mermaids and has a lot of other interesting things going on:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3264949-Andrew-Gilligan-and-MESMAC

Procrastinator1 · 11/06/2018 11:30

Vines or Hines or are there two of them?

Pratchet · 11/06/2018 11:32

Sally Hines is extremely TWAW but is not a researcher on this project I don't think. She's had research funded by ESRC and her promotion tweet was 'liked' by Davina Cooper. I mean, Cooper could just be being nice. Same as she could just be being nice saying she's delighted about the publication of a book by a colleague who retweets well-known 'terf'-hater Sarah Brown. It's circumstantial I guess.

Pratchet · 11/06/2018 11:33

The other researchers need looking at. Follow the people tab on the op's link.

Ineedacupofteadesperately · 11/06/2018 11:35

HOW does this get funded with such an obvious political agenda and with such a lack of basic understanding of sex and gender? It's so shoddy. It's ALMOST as if they knew they could have written anything, as shoddy as you like, and get funded.

When universities are struggling to find money for research that actually is going to be of use, like for discovering new antibiotics, curing cancer etc.

Difficult not to come to the conclusion that it's a stitch up.

Banging head on desk.

Pratchet · 11/06/2018 11:39

Honestly if anyone can check out the backgrounds of all the researchers it will be helpful in taking down the research when the findings are published.

SupermatchGame · 11/06/2018 11:39

Oh dear what a mess. I would welcome research on this as I keep saying it's about what matters, to whom, why and when.

But this is confused from the off.

"the possibility of non-binary gender identities unsettle traditional legal regimes based on two, biologically fixed, socially differentiated genders. "

and

"for gender-differentiated provision, such as single-sex schools, "

Not just confused but contradictory within the same sentences.

Procrastinator1 · 11/06/2018 11:40

Sorry, I have googled, but who are the EDF, not the energy company I suspect?

flowersonthepiano · 11/06/2018 11:41

One of the coinvestigators Flora Renz has a Leeds connection and a clear pro-trans work record.

flowersonthepiano · 11/06/2018 11:49

Emily Grabham has broader research interests.

gendercritter · 11/06/2018 11:56

This is really quite chilling. It's made me very concerned.

Bowlofbabelfish · 11/06/2018 11:57

Very concerning. Starts off from a standpoint that’s demonstrably wrong and goes from there. Appears biased from the start. Poor research methodology.

This needs challenging.

Pratchet · 11/06/2018 12:01

What's worse is that given the clear legal focus of the researchers' previous work, they must be deliberately ignoring the legal fuzziness of the wording. One of them even tweeted that 'words matter!' It's not like they don't know. They DO know. That's why they're using language in such a confusing way.

Pratchet · 11/06/2018 12:02

Good find on Flora Renz.

Macareaux · 11/06/2018 12:03

Can someone on twitter link this thread to Gilligan/Turner/Kirkup?

Bowlofbabelfish · 11/06/2018 12:06

And private eye.

Pratchet · 11/06/2018 12:09

Maybe they Google search themselves

Andrew Gilligan
James Kirkup
Janice Turner

Pratchet · 11/06/2018 12:19

Right so that's three out of four? And possibly four? Including the lead investigator?