Equalities Office: men who identify as women can be banned from female-only areas

[jgrobinson]

Equalities Office

Men who identify as women can be banned from female-only areas such as changing rooms if there is a 'justifiable reason', says a Government equality chief.

But Ollie Entwistle, head of LGBT policy at the Equalities Office, warned this was not an excuse to be 'trans exclusionary'.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5825513/Transgender-women-banned-female-areas-theres-justifiable-reason.html

You may find this amusing Gibberty but the majority of women do not. We are increasing angry about this unthought out pressure by men on women and our lives. And we will resist.

Exactly. It's really quite telling of the sort of person who likes gloating about women losing rights and having their boundaries invaded without their consent.

Good.

No. It's not pressure from men. It is that you believe that you are more authentically female than other women. It is bigoted and ridiculous

No. It's not pressure from men. It is that you believe that you are more authentically female than other women. It is bigoted and ridiculous

Sorry but I just snorted my tea all my phone at that - that's hilarious

Lordy what nonsense.

I am more “authentically female” than someone with a penis and anyone who thinks otherwise is at best deluded

No. It's not pressure from men. It is that you believe that you are more authentically female than other women. It is bigoted and ridiculous

Really, your feelings are becoming more and more clear. All women are authentically female, except transwomen, who are made by medicial intervention. Or high heels and lipstick, depending on how far along a transwoman is with transitioning. But they are never authentic women. Ever.

Those 2 statements say it all really Gibb
So here have and do fuck off.

more authentically female

Sex is not a spectrum it is male or female.

That statement from the equalities office is a total cop out.

Just vague bullshit threatening anyone who asks questions aimed at keeping single sex space safe.

Can it be applied to women's sport as a ‘proportionate means of achieving a legitimate aim’, the aim being physical attainment between the class of women for example?

It's a bullshit cop out - completely agree. Meaningless.

Can it be applied to women's sport as a ‘proportionate means of achieving a legitimate aim’, the aim being physical attainment between the class of women for example?

Both the GRA and the EA have an exception for sport. If transwomen compete in a women's event it is down to the governing body of the sport.

Are you sure about that gibb? Does someone with a GRC no longer have the protected characteristic of gender reassignment?

An individual with a GRC still has the protected characteristic of gender reassignment - as the wording of the act includes "has undergone a process (or part of a process) for the purpose of reassigning the person's sex by changing physiological or other attributes of sex" - emphasis mine.

A transwomen with a GRC is legally female. But she can still be discriminated as she has undergone gender reassignment - and the law protects her.

A transwomen with a GRC is legally female.

Except for the existence of single sex exemptions. So no, not completely so.

A transwoman' with a GRC is not female in any sense. He has the right to be treated under the law as if he were a woman. Except in certain circumstances.

It is that you believe that you are more authentically female than other women. It is bigoted and ridiculous

no, not really. it is that some people use the word "woman" to mean adult human with a female sexed body - no more and no less. you use the word "woman" to mean something different. any arguing becomes pointless as we are speaking different languages.

Except for the existence of single sex exemptions. So no, not completely so.

A transwoman with a GRC is legally female. The exemptions allow her to be discriminated against on the grounds of gender reassignment is some very limited situations. They don't change her legal sex/gender which is female. (The legislation mixes up the terms).

Round and round and round we go.

The exemptions allow her to be discriminated against on the grounds of gender reassignment is some very limited situations.

Because the law recognises that the legal fiction is one thing, but a bit of paper doesn't change ones biological sex. And that occasionally this distinction is very important to women.

No, he isn't. The law actually acknowledges his biological sex.

If you're a living breathing manifestation of the Duluth wheel, you haven't changed your gender identity. It's the same old male supremacist, abusive gender identity you always had. Plus ca change, plus c'est la meme chose.

Jus' sayin'.

If you're a living breathing manifestation of the Duluth wheel

So aside from accommodating authentically female males in doing whatever they please, it seems clear to me that a lot of onus is placed on service providers. Most of them probably aren’t going to bother to enforce a female only policy because of the amount of headaches.

Can we make it easier for them?

If you use a single sex space that you’d like to remain so, can you write a testimonial about why making it mixed sex would make it less accessible for you, personally, and send it to the service provider?

@SporadicSpartacus

If you use a single sex space that you’d like to remain so, can you write a testimonial about why making it mixed sex would make it less accessible for you, personally, and send it to the service provider?

You appear to be correct, it seems M&S need to show their service users do not want mixed sex spaces. We need to campaign, so that service providers have evidence.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3270549-In-reaction-to-the-Government-sex-segregation-Petition-response-M-S-are-finally-reconsidering-their-position-on-their-sexist-unsafe-and-undignified-policy?watched=1&msgid=78594063#78594063