Daily Mail, Momentum, Diane Abbott and Action for Trans Health

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Momentum hate women, obviously. I quite like DA. Interestingly there's a slight effort to detach and distance down at the bottom of the article, though no criticism of ATH.

Yes I suppose that's what I'm getting at. Thanks. Couldn't quite articulate it.

I'm no fan of ATH but isn't this just the Daily Mail having a go at Diane Abbott?

I'm no fan of the Daily Mail. I am even less of a fan of the Labour party being taken over by Momentum.

The trans issue here for me is secondary, as I suspect it is for the Mail. It is just more evidence of Momentum extremism. I'm happy for the Mail to keep pointing out Labour is being run by Momentum if it has the effect of Labour in its current form remaining unelectable.

Oh that's interesting. She's my MP. I wrote to her a few months ago, linking James Kirkup's article about the problem with Labour for women. No reply.

THIS Article about Labour abandoning women

That article is by Tom Farr. It's a really good article.

Wanderabout

Oh yes . Sorry. That's the one I sent . I know James Kirkup also wrote another about Labour and trans.

It's good there are now enough people writing about what's going on that we can confuse the names.

We were delighted (and relieved) that our meeting was not disrupted by those people who are determined to have a “debate” about trans people’s right to exist

This is bizarre. When has this ever happened?

Never.

This is what the transactivist lobby does all the time - projects all its own behaviour and attitudes, onto women.

Hence the endless rubbish about how we hate them, want to kill them, want to erase them, want them not to exist, threaten them with literal violence, etc. etc. It's how they feel and behave about us and they transfer and project their feelings and behaviour onto us.

This is just another example of that modus operandi. Whenever you see any accusation like that about gender critical people, you can guarantee that it means transactivists have either done this to us or are intending to do so.

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Putting 'debate' in inverted commas, when a debate is exactly what we want. So much bullshit conveyed by one bit of misleading punctuation

So this is what they support

That article is by Tom Farr. It's a really good article.

Tom Farr might end up making a name for himself. Here's an earlier piece of his:

medium.com/@tom_farr/the-left-are-abandoning-women-and-in-doing-so-abandoning-everything-they-stand-for-51fd63457d8c

Sorry, that's me muddled. TransplantsArePlants has already linked to the article.

Oh that's interesting. She's my MP. I wrote to her a few months ago, linking James Kirkup's article about the problem with Labour for women. No reply.

I thought our MPs had to reply to us, if we are constituents? Assuming you had a direct question/request for action from her, although perhaps if it was only about the Labour Party rather than parliamentary business the duty might not apply, I don’t know.

It's very good that ATH, once mainstream enough to have their evidence prioritised as more important than women's testimony, is now seen as extremist.

It is.

It's possible she didn't know beforehand. Reading the momentum write up, fundraising for ATH doesn't appear to have been the main aim.

Momentum will have known though and permitted that fundraising at their event.

Here is the ATH manifesto in all its batshit glory.

Now ATH have been called 'extremist' in a national newspaper, it's possible they may decide to quietly take down their manifesto, so here is an archived version.

I've got a PDF of it saved.

The Mail has covered ATH before, specifically the batshittery of the manifesto, and highlighting the weight given to the organisation' views in the Miller report:

"Leader Jess Bradley, 29, was at the heart of Government 2016 equality inquiry"

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5187771/amp/Action-Trans-Health-no-gender-birth-certificates.html

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To be fair, it wasn't a great letter. It wasn't a direct request for anything - more of a "have you thought about this". I shall write another that's a bit more focussed

So ATH supporters didn't demonstrate outside this meeting wearing masks?
None of them punched anyone on their way to the meeting?
Did they block the stairs or doors to stop delegates trying to get in?
Did they phone around first to try to get the meeting cancelled?
Did they post threats online?

I thought that was what they did when people arrange meetings - or is it just when women try to meet? Diane Abbott needs to do her research about some of her allies.

DA is staggeringly naive, despite her long political career

Momentum are truly awful

The Edinburgh branch of ATH is particularly batshit crazy, but no-one in their right mind can read the ATH manifesto and think "Hmm, this is full of brilliant ideas that should be implemented immediately and will not cause any difficulties to anyone else"

Madigan is a Momentum stooge who will be spat out once no longer useful

"Leader Jess Bradley, 29, was at the heart of Government 2016 equality inquiry"

Hmmmm.

Hmmmmm indeed.

MPs, the NHS and any other organisations with responsibilities for safeguarding and medical ethics, let alone equality law, should be asking themselves what the logical conclusion to 'acceptance without exception' of TRA demands actually is.

The trans issue here for me is secondary, as I suspect it is for the Mail. It is just more evidence of Momentum extremism. I'm happy for the Mail to keep pointing out Labour is being run by Momentum if it has the effect of Labour in its current form remaining unelectable.

I have to agree with this, though find it very hard to believe that DA, or her office, did not know what ATH actually are. They are absolutely an extremist group, who advocate giving all trans people medical training so they can experiment on each other and say all trans prisoners should be released, among other things that have been mentioned.

But anything that draws more attention to Momentum and their behaviour, the better for me. I don't want Labour unelectable being a lifelong Labour voter, but I actually do think that Corbyn and his cronies would be worse for the country than another term of the Tories. And I say that as a disabled person currently struggling while waiting (a year and counting currently) for a tribunal for what I am entitled to despite copious amounts of medical proof too!

I agree HornyTortoise with all your points. If Diane Abbott didn't know who was behind this meeting, she ought to have known. She should have done her homework before she went.

I don't want Labour to be permanently unelectable. At the moment however we do not have an effective or credible opposition. Decent Tories recognise that that isn't a healthy state of affairs.