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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

SRS is now 'gender-affirming surgery'

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gendercritter · 08/06/2018 08:51

According to the Guardian. It's in their article about Kim Petros today, which I'd rather not link to.

It is such a whitewash.

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Opheliah · 08/06/2018 09:20

Even in the detail "top surgery" "bottom surgery" these euphemisms help no one apart from the medical profession in recruiting new converts.

gendercritter · 08/06/2018 09:51

Actually I just re-read the article.

Kim had her 'gender-reaffirming surgery' at 16. 16 years old. Why isn't society clocking that kids are having their genitals removed?

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Bowlofbabelfish · 08/06/2018 09:53

16? I hope not in the UK.

gendercritter · 08/06/2018 10:03

I'm not sure but Petros is German.

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ChickenMe · 08/06/2018 10:21

Ew F off with the euphemisms
Let's keep spreading the word that it is what it is-genitals removed and sterilisation of kids
Fucking awful

DebbieInBirmingham · 08/06/2018 10:24

Lots of euphemism are used. Probably the best term is descriptive: genital reconstruction surgery.

Dragoncake · 08/06/2018 10:50

I slightly prefer this term to SRS because it refers to gender, not sex.

Non-misleading terminology would be best. Cosmetic surgery, mastectomy, sterilisation.

gendercritter · 08/06/2018 11:01

Probably the best term is descriptive: genital reconstruction surgery.

Reconstruction implies the genitals are damaged, to my mind. When they aren't. They're healthy and functioning as intended but are (essentially) mutilated. Even if you say that it benefits the mental health of a small proportion of people undergoing the surgery, it's still a mutilation.

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ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 08/06/2018 11:04

I too prefer the use of gender in the term as of course sex cannot be changed.

And I agree it would be far better to just use factual, neutral terms eg mastectomy, penectomy, genital cosmetic surgery.

Bowlofbabelfish · 08/06/2018 11:07

Since you can’t reassign sex and sex isn’t assigned in the first place, SRS isn’t a great term.

Not entirely sure gender affirming is either, tbh.

Agree that there shouldnt be euphemisms here: penectomy, orchidectomy, mastectomy, etc are accurate terms.

TeaEnjoyingRadientFeminist · 08/06/2018 11:29

Agree that SRS is actually a poor name for it. No one is changing sex so it's an inaccurate description.

If you can have a penis and still be a 'woman' then 'gender affirming surgery' is inaccurate too, given genitals clearly have no relevance to gender and therefore it isn't affirming anything.

If they want a whitewashed name then 'preferred genital construction' works just fine, and leaves it open to non-trans people too. No need to make it a trans issue...

Not trans but fancy having a penis to see what the fuss is about? Great, you can now get PGC and have your very own lady-stick! No more toilet queues, now you can just stand and pee in the bushes with the blokes. Winner!

Removal of genitals and secondary characteristics can remain named as they are - oriechtomy, mastectomy etc. No point in changing a medical term that works just fine.

Prawnofthepatriarchy · 08/06/2018 17:35

If you have to have either word then GAS is more honest than SRS. Sex changes are impossible.

Kim had SRS at 16? That's dreadful. Hope they don't regret it.

spontaneousgiventime · 08/06/2018 17:37

It's also called GCS Gender Confirmation Surgery. I've always hated SRS as you cannot change your sex, so gender is better.

gendercritter · 08/06/2018 17:48

Gender affirming seems such a positive thing though. To my mind it's a word designed by, I don't know, a Californian life coach Wink It's a re-branding designed to make you think of coming into your own, rather than brutal surgical procedures

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Opheliah · 08/06/2018 18:02

The surgeries involved in creating a neo-vagina out of a penis are far, far more successful than phaloplasty, trying to create a penis out of some arm skin (or whatever) which has a high failure rate.

So SRS or GAS

Opheliah · 08/06/2018 18:04

Oh. Didn't mean to post just yet.

I was aiming to say the two surgeries are so very different for both sexes they should have different words.

GibbertyFlibbert · 08/06/2018 18:41

"I was aiming to say the two surgeries are so very different for both sexes they should have different words."

For the guys, the full works is multi-stage which is why they tend to collectively refer to the surgeries as "bottom surgery". Those who take the trouble to talk to some guys or their loved ones before pontificating, would know this.

Mossandclover · 08/06/2018 19:09

Gibberty we know people refer to it as top or bottom surgery as you would know if you RTFT. But that is an euphemism which is designed to hide the true destructive nature of the surgical intervention.

Bowlofbabelfish · 08/06/2018 19:12

Yes we know it’s called bottom surgery. But bottom surgery is a euphemism. It involves penectomy, orchidectomy (castration) and surgical creation of structures to attempt to mimic external female genitalia. It’s major multi step surgery that results in castration and sterilisation. Calling it ‘bottom surgery’ is twee.

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