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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Does your Local Authority Equality Policy exclude sex as a protected characteristic?

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bananaistheanswer · 07/06/2018 23:29

Inspired by Jean Hatchet's posts on twitter, I checked mine and colour me shocked, it's been excluded.

Attached below is the list from the EA2010 with my LA's interpretation alongside - note the wording We believe our responsibility for equality is wider than those areas covered by the Equality Act 2010

So removing sex from the list of protected characteristics widens the scope of the EA2010?

So what's your LA equality policy like?

Does your Local Authority Equality Policy exclude sex as a protected characteristic?
Does your Local Authority Equality Policy exclude sex as a protected characteristic?
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R0wantrees · 08/06/2018 22:33

Gender definition.

Does your Local Authority Equality Policy exclude sex as a protected characteristic?
BlytheByName · 08/06/2018 22:34

Brent's is very odd.
It has the nine categories but the gender reassignment category is called.gender identity and reassignment is mentioned within the paragraph.

And the paragraph entitled sex uses the word gender instead of sex.

What a dog's dinner.

Maybe Dawn Butler wrote it.

R0wantrees · 08/06/2018 22:38

GRA

Does your Local Authority Equality Policy exclude sex as a protected characteristic?
boatyardblues · 08/06/2018 22:58

It would be preferable if Scottish, Welsh and NI councils could be addedto that google spreadsheet. It is currently limited to England.

TimeLady · 09/06/2018 07:53

I can't edit the spreadsheet either..

I've kept things very simple and non-accusatory, just a request that they rectify their mistake:

I note with some concern that your equality and diversity policy conflates the term sex with gender

www.richmondshire.gov.uk/media/8372/equality-policy.pdf

ie Sex (gender)

The Equalities Act 2010

www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2010/15/section/4

specifically states 'sex' as the protected characteristic, not' sex (gender)' which could lead to some confusion as the two are not interchangeable. In these days of identity politics, I'm sure you'll agree that accuracy in these matters is important. I would be grateful if you could look into this.

Thank you

TimeLady · 09/06/2018 07:56

Dammit, meant to post that on the spreadsheet thread.

Theinconstantgardener · 09/06/2018 08:33

I'm in Scotland. Mine has sex then beside that gender in brackets. Not sure about that. Maybe they think the two are the same?

TimeLady · 09/06/2018 08:37

Sex (gender) seems quite common. I think maybe it's because gender is sometimes seen as a more polite euphemism for sex , but that's not an excuse in a legal framework these days.

TimeLady · 09/06/2018 08:37

Sex (gender) seems quite common. I think maybe it's because gender is sometimes seen as a more polite euphemism for sex , but that's not an excuse in a legal framework these days.

Theinconstantgardener · 09/06/2018 08:39

I'm sure you are right timelady. I will write to them to check.

bubbleroad · 09/06/2018 08:44

Mine lists all but refers to "Gender (sex)".

SisterMoonshine · 09/06/2018 08:50

This is shocking! Like the Handmaid's tale. How dare they just fiddle about with the Equality Act as the fancy! Angry

SisterMoonshine · 09/06/2018 08:52

I like your wording on the letter TimeLady

Follyfoot · 09/06/2018 09:02

Ours has gender. I've emailed them and am now seething.

CuriousaboutSamphire · 09/06/2018 09:04

I've just sent that to my local council... 'gender' indeed!

Picassospaintbrush · 09/06/2018 09:05

Sex (gender) seems quite common. I think maybe it's because gender is sometimes seen as a more polite euphemism for sex , but that's not an excuse in a legal framework these days.

It's not, it's done deliberately as gender includes men in the definition of female and woman.

They are quite happy to write sexual orientation so its not about saying sex.

Pratchet · 09/06/2018 09:21

Picasso, was just coming on to say the same thing.

Obviously this was a deliberate tactic across local authorities and some like Sarah Brown succeeded in getting sex replaced with gender. Others weren't quite so successful but lobbyists suggested sex(gender) as a way of paving the path to full obliteration of sex. It's not a natural expression and almost without any doubt was agreed on by lobby groups before they sent it out to the transvangelicals in the field.

Ereshkigal · 09/06/2018 09:52

My council does include sex, but it has conflated the 9 protected characteristics in the EA with their own definition of discrimination and have added others like gender identity which they evidently consider a separate concept to "gender reassignment" which I'm guessing they think is surgery.

Ereshkigal · 09/06/2018 09:53

They also have "gender" as well as sex! They appear a bit confused.

Knicknackpaddyflak · 09/06/2018 10:51

Mine is very confused. It specifically refers to the sex discrimination act and frequently mentions sex, as well as two references to law regarding gender: the gender reassignment regulations 1999 (legal protections for pay, treatment in employment, vocational training) and GRA, mechanism for applying to legally change gender.

However the policy statement says:

We will not discriminate ( indirect and direct ) on the grounds of race, gender, gender reassignment, marital status, being a lesbian or a gay man, age, religious beliefs, HIV status, or disability (covering sensory and physical disabilities, learning disabilities and mental health status).

Spot the missing one.

'Gender' seems to be increasingly being framed as the modern progressive way to reframe what was sex. Seething.

We've been asking for years, 'what legal rights do you want that you don't already have?' and never got a reply, just a lot of coyness and evasion. Now it's out in the plain open. 'Trans rights' means the elimination of women's rights. The removal of the rights of biological women to in any way define or separate themselves from men who want to be women. Much of which is being done behind closed doors, in private meetings and stealth changes to policy. No wonder the TRAs here are telling us it's too late, it's already been done.

And we have politicians, political parties and local and national government colluding with this! Is there anyone left who can truly stand up and say this is a moral, ethical, inclusive agenda?

NorthernJugni · 10/06/2018 00:12

Hi all, I have made a spreadsheet with all English councils (yet to add Scotland, Wales and NI) with whether they have Sex as a separate category or not. If anyone has any idea as to how best to use this, let me know. Otherwise I will probably just go through emailing all the councils who have it wrong. This is what Ive been sending:

Good Morning

I am writing to express concern that 'sex' has been replaced by 'gender' on your list of protected characteristics. It would appear that either you are conflating sex and gender as the same thing, or that you do not think that biological sex is a cause for discrimination, which it is.

Gender refers to external social markers such as how one acts, looks, dresses, presents. It is a source of discrimination and it is good for it to be protected.

However, sex should be protected as a distinct characteristic. Sex is your biology, your body, your genitals, your hormones. If Sex is not protected then women's reproductive rights are not protected, nor is discrimination against women for pregnancy, or for being physically weaker etc.

Sex and gender are not the same. A person can have female sex biology and present as male gender, and have male sex biology and present as female. It is incredibly important for female equality to retain sex as protected.

Please reconsider this and reinstate sex as a separate protected characteristic, in order to comply with the Equality Act 2010 which retains sex as a category in order to protect females.

Pratchet · 10/06/2018 00:18

Jugni: that's amazing work. Have you worked out the stats for how big a percentage have it wrong? Have you considered sharing the info with Fair Play for women who are fabulous with stats and can break these sorts of data sets down?

NorthernJugni · 10/06/2018 01:13

Good idea, Ive messaged them x

Elletorro · 11/06/2018 10:49

If you are in a union ask for representation and assistance. Involve your union reps at grassroots and the Woman’s officer also. Unions need to support their female members.

They will remember Allen v GMB and Stefan Cross

boatyardblues · 11/06/2018 13:17

Jugni will now need to start tracking updates. On the other thread, PP are getting responses from their LAs, some of whom have already updating docs.

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