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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

The Simple Problem with Those Anti-Trans Protesters' Big Stunts

136 replies

FoxOnSecurity · 07/06/2018 17:26

This sums it up really about the problem with anti trans stunts.

www.vice.com/amp/en_uk/article/kzknma/the-simple-problem-with-those-anti-trans-protesters-big-stunts

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Picassospaintbrush · 07/06/2018 19:10

And we are all looking forward to meeting SwearyG in Truro.

TransplantsArePlants · 07/06/2018 19:11

Swearyg

My God, you are right. I really hadn't thought about it in that way

CosmicCanary · 07/06/2018 19:13

What anti trans protesters?

Man Friday are against the "anyone can be a woman" policy not transpeople.

Thanks for reminding me how much I admire Man Friday Fox.

SwearyG · 07/06/2018 19:21

You might hear me make that point again, Picassospaintbrush Grin

SupermatchGame · 07/06/2018 19:24

This is a fantastically eloquent piece by Megan Nolan. She makes her points clearly, concisely and quite beautifully. It's worth quoting some of them:

"Transphobes are quite literally creating a problem that doesn't exist. They are hypothesising about an outcome, creating that outcome themselves, and then trying to use their own creation as proof of its possibility."

"The sheer gall of that took my breath away: implying that putting on a fake beard and going for a swim and a photo-op is the important work of feminism; implying that trans people don't care about Ireland's struggle for reproductive rights; and, especially, the brazen attempt to pit cis women against trans women."

"Trans women and men in Ireland have the legal right to self-declare their gender," read an open letter signed by numerous Irish feminist, LGBT and progressive groups, as well as individuals. "Trans people and particularly trans women are an inextricable part of our feminist community."

"Trans-exclusionary feminists are powerful in Britain, uniquely so. European and American feminists are often confused by the overwhelming media bias in favour of anti-trans narratives. They gain footing by exploiting fear and intentionally sowing seeds of discord between cis and trans women. They manipulate justified fears of sexual attack to advance their regressive cause. Is it possible that a trans woman will attack another woman? Of course it is, just as it's possible that a cis woman could attack another woman."
www.vice.com/amp/en_uk/article/kzknma/the-simple-problem-with-those-anti-trans-protesters-big-stunts

Ereshkigal · 07/06/2018 19:26

Megan sounds a bit of a dimwit, frankly.

Ereshkigal · 07/06/2018 19:29

Rattled, aren't they?

Oh yes Smile

Ereshkigal · 07/06/2018 19:30

Trans-exclusionary feminists are powerful in Britain, uniquely so.

Good. Glad to hear it! It won't be too much effort to stop the changes to the GRA and strengthen our sex based rights in the EA then, right?

Bowlofbabelfish · 07/06/2018 19:34

Is it possible that a trans woman will attack another woman? Of course it is, just as it's possible that a cis woman could attack another woman.

Ah but that’s not true is it? The statistics show that of course it is, just as it’s possible any MAN could attack a woman. Women attacking women isn’t the issue in any way at all.

What with transwomen being men, and trans women retaining the offending patterns of ...men.

I’m shocked they censored your mankini Amy - I hope they allowed The Hat Of Glory to be shown :)

Good to see that the British are leading the way in slightly annoyed common sense though. ‘Angry logic’ as David Mitchell calls it.

Someone really needs a ‘Hans.... are we the baddies..?’ moment

Picassospaintbrush · 07/06/2018 19:39

Loving SMGs bolding there.

QuentinSummers · 07/06/2018 19:43

What I don't understand is how some people read about things like Man Friday and think the protesters are trying to say they are trans. Totally missing the point, which is that in most cases the protesters are showing up the organisation's own guidance.. and if they can do it as a protest then anyone can do it for whatever reason.

It's odd. It seems so clear to me.

It's like the "you don't think trans people should exist" or when you say a sex offender could put on a dress and pretend to be a woman it's either "they say trans people are sex offenders" or "they say trans people are men in dresses"

Really weird

Bowlofbabelfish · 07/06/2018 19:44

Keep up the good work sweary! You’re getting your point out there in a civilised, non violent manner.

The TRAs don’t want public discussion, so this kind of thing is a direct threat to them. It’s working. Let’s get the public talking :)

SupermatchGame · 07/06/2018 19:57

I'm providing you with some assistance Picasso

HermioneWeasley · 07/06/2018 20:03

Oh they are rattled - the amazing ManFriday chaps are having a big impact and showing this lunacy for what it is

LangCleg · 07/06/2018 20:05

When someone tells you that your pro-woman stance is anti-trans they aren’t telling you that they think you are anti-trans.

Yes. Accusations are always admissions. They're not talking to us: they're looking in the mirror and talking to themselves. Because they genuinely can't see anybody else.

Anyone who has ever had a narc in their lives can tell you this. Everything they say is projection.

Cascade220 · 07/06/2018 20:07

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CertainHalfDesertedStreets · 07/06/2018 20:10

What's With The Capitals?

Picassospaintbrush · 07/06/2018 20:26

I thought you were emphasising your bias Supermatchgame.

BatShite · 07/06/2018 20:49

Pro-womens rights. Not anti-trans. Caring about female humans does not make anyone anti-trans.

BatShite · 07/06/2018 23:01

The problem with manfriday is that its actually changing things. In a short period of time, they have managed to get the ridiculous swim guidance rules changed, have got multiple stories into the mainstream press, have established that male people also rather like sex segregation and get pretty annoyed when female people try to enter their areas, and have shown up the Hampstead Heath thing for the hypocrisy it is. Along with many many other 'problems'

So transactivists hate it so much and get very very rattled. And it shows.

The men behind manfriday it are simply, fantastic.

BatShite · 07/06/2018 23:06

The judge who attracted international censure after sentencing the Stanford rapist Brock Turner to six months in jail has been recalled from office after a two-year campaign by local activists. NPR reports that 59 percent of Santa Clara County voters cast their ballots in favor of recalling Superior Court judge Aaron Persky, making him the first California judge to be recalled since 1932.

Now that really is good news. Pathetic sentence, and fully deserved recall to be honest.

AssignedPuuurfectAtBirth · 07/06/2018 23:07

ManFriday are a fine bunch of chaps.

Jolly Good Show!

Keep it up!

BatShite · 07/06/2018 23:10

Is it possible that a trans woman will attack another woman? Of course it is, just as it's possible that a cis woman could attack another woman."

However, its hugely more likely that a male person will attack a female one, than a female attacking another female. That parts generally left out for some odd reason.

spontaneousgiventime · 07/06/2018 23:11

The #ManFriday peeps are my her ehm, sher ehm, favourite people right now.

haXXor · 07/06/2018 23:22

@HerFemaleness It's the old ''men will sexually assault you anyway so stop worrying your purty little heads about men identifying as women to get easier access to you''.

If @foxonsecurity is actually in any kind of (physical or IT) security job, they'll understand the Swiss Cheese Model and how removing women's ability to say "excuse me mate, this is the ladies" is removing the first cheese layer a predatory male encounters when entering a female space and hence reducing women's safety.

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