Andrew Gilligan and MESMAC

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Anyone seen this?

Sounds like something is going down:

twitter.com/mragilligan/status/1002245637872766976

Trying to summarise:

MESMAC is the sexual health charity in Leeds which also helps survivors of childhood sexual abuse.

Heathcliffe Bowen, convicted paedophile, was a trustee of MESMAC.

MESMAC was criticised recently for saying that it was okay for staff members to have sexual relations with clients who came to the charity for help.

Andrew Gilligan is reporting today that Project Blast, for boys and young men affected by childhood sexual abuse, has been closed down by MESMAC.

Phil Mitchell, leader of the Blast project, who was warned by police about his harassment of a female academic who was critical of the project's methods, seems to be looking for another job today.

I suspect that we will be hearing more of this.

Wasn’t there something about the green family’s personal relationship with a particular officer too?

Yet apparently Jackie Green I think is best friends with their Hate Crime Officer.

Don't forget this one, pop

For those new to this, the context to Jessica Eaton's work is her critique of so-called CSE (child sexual exploitation) films used in school. The idea behind these films - an idea never actually tested, just asserted without proof - is that these films enable children to protect themselves against being groomed by abusers. Eaton's research suggests that in fact the films are victim blaming which only end up further traumatising children who have been abused while confusing and frightening children who have not been abused.

www.academia.edu/36034573/Can_I_tell_you_what_it_feels_like_Exploring_the_harm_caused_by_CSE_films One of Eaton's articles here.

Quote from the linked article:
"An interesting result of the increase in the understanding of trauma, is the sharp rise in materials,
films, presentations, talks, TV shows and blogs containing ‘trigger warnings’ or ‘content warnings’. It
is now commonplace to find a warning that a piece of media shows particular triggering material for trauma victims and survivors. These trigger/content warnings are regularly given before professionals start CSE/A training and even before professionals are shown CSE films that they will then use with children. However, the same trigger/content warnings are not given to children before they watch CSE films and drama productions. In many cases, children are shown the films or resources without any prior warning of the content. Children are then led into rooms where they begin to watch a film that quickly develops into a scene where a child is being raped or harmed
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and they have no way out. From the accounts collected for this report, children have watched CSE films or used CSE resources, whilst experiencing shock, horror, panic attacks, anxiety symptoms, flashbacks and physiological trauma responses but have remained quiet. They did not get up to leave. They did not run away or hide. They did not tell an adult. They did not disclose their abuse. They report experiencing prolonged and severe trauma responses whilst surrounded by potentially hundreds of students, in an environment that they cannot leave."

WTF is going on with the world?

Might have known you'd try and drag Mermaids into all that.

You've managed to get Mermaids, Trans, sex offender, killer, abuse prostitution and paedophile all into the same post there. Quite a feat. You're only missing a Savile for the full suite... oh wait a minute there it is 5 posts later. Congrats.

omg.

I posted re wyp vice. For context, that was 30 odd years ago.

Thanks for clarifying that @reetgood

Yeah, last time I said it felt like being trapped in a new episode of Red Riding.

Coincidentally, Channel 4 have just added all the Red Riding adaptations to its streaming service.

Yes I saw that! Was going to watch.

OMG. I had no idea about this. I feel sick. Had to scan through a lot of that report because it's so distressing. Why are they making children watch rape scenes? Oh my fucking God.

What is being done about this? Now I need to find out if my children have been exposed to this. Please someone tell me what I can do.

Utterly shocked

Fuck off Super and read the fucking document

Supermatchgame,
I am a new to mumsnet and I am reading your posts. This is first time I heard you mention mermaids in a way that shows you must be affiliated to them. The posters on here are extremely intelligent. Way beyond my own level of critical thinking. Actually wondering what I was doing all these years that I was happy in a bubble that didn't effect me. Now that it has, I do wonder why mermaids is getting recognition.?, my personal view is that it got away with it and still would if the trans activist were less demanding. Now mermaids is like the devil to me and I will forever blast their policies. Mermaids is not helping parents to have a critical view. It's my way or no way. Mermaids is not a supportive charity. It is affirmative. Someday soon. I hope they will be seen as a charity that endangers child mental health and well being. If a parent is happy to affirm, this is their choice. Sadly mermaids can't reassure the parents who are struggling. How is this an impartial charity. They, mermaids need to be there for everyone.

FermatsTheorem thank you for posting the link. I am utterly horrified by this

i have no words

I should say that I don't know whether or not MESMAC produces these CSE films - just that Phil Mitchell (currently at MESMAC, soon to take up employment elsewhere by the look of things) seems to have some sort of personal beef against Jessica Eaton, whose research includes a critical examination (complete debunking might be closer) of the use of these films.

For those new to this, the context to Jessica Eaton's work is her critique of so-called CSE (child sexual exploitation) films used in school.

I highly recommend everyone read Jessica's work on this. It's profoundly shocking and emblematic of what damage top-down policies imposed by institutions brainwashed by theoretical liberal academia can do.

Has this doc ever been posted on main boards here? Do other parents know about this?

Well this is a new. I'm not 'affiliated' to Mermaids. Truthwillwin
The posters here they are intelligent yes. But not beyond my own level of critical thinking.

Mermaids is there to support children and families with gender identity issues. Their end goal isn't to get as many children into treatment as possible. It is to use an affirmative model as in lead by the child whether that be as a non conforming person or one that needs some degree of transition. There isn't any evidence for alternative approaches for severely gender dysphoric children, and many of them desist as we know.

Fortunately now there is also Transgender Trend that is offering a more gender critical approach for those families that want it.

It sounds like you've been through a lot, whatever it is, and I sense a lot of pain there - apologies if I've got that wrong. I'm not going to try and continue some sort of ongoing debate with you because it doesn't feel appropriate. But I hope you are finding your own way through whatever it is and getting all the support you need.

Can we not let this thread get derailed into a discussion of Mermaids? It's not really relevant to the main point.

The main issue is that MESMAC at one point stated that they saw no problem with adult service providers forming sexual relationships with adult service users, which goes against what any sane person would think of as good practice.

There also seems to be some sort of kerfuffle going on over the transfer of their youth programme to a different service provider, which seems to involve one of their members of staff leaving the organisation.

That member of staff seems to have some sort of personal campaign going on against a researcher called Jessica Eaton, whose main research area seems to be to do with casting doubt on the use of explicit films as resources to somehow "warn children off" getting involved with sex offenders which (a) is victim blaming, (b) has no evidence base, (c) traumatises the children and (d) gives responsible authorities an easy out in terms of having performed a tick-box exercise (look, we showed the children all these DVDs in school, we have done our bit) without actually having produced any useful end results.

www.victimfocus.org.uk/nomorecsefilms/4594134271 This is a series of youtube videos Eaton has done on the subject.

I had never heard of these CSE films. If they are as described I am shocked beyond words.

m.youtube.com/watch?v=zuJFYmYwqv0

Hashtag #nomoreCSEfilms

Ah, Fermats got there before me!