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Andrew Gilligan 'Latest bullying transgender complaint.. swiftly rejected by parliamentary standards committee'

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R0wantrees · 30/05/2018 00:24

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"Latest bullying transgender complaint (against David Davies MP over We Need to Talk meeting) has been swiftly rejected by parliamentary standards commissioner"

Link to doc embedded:
www.parliament.uk/documents/pcfs/not-upheld/davidtcdaviesnotupheld.pdf

(extract)
'Letter from the Commissioner to Cllr Zoë O'Connell, 23 May 2018
I wrote to you on 27 March 2018 to say that I was beginning an inquiry into your allegation of a breach of House of Commons rules by Mr David TC Davies MP. I am writing now to let you know the outcome.
I have corresponded with Mr Davies and I have consulted the Serjeant at Arms.
Having considered carefully the evidence I have obtained, I do not uphold the allegation.'

Andrew Gilligan  'Latest bullying transgender complaint.. swiftly rejected by parliamentary standards committee'
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cistersofterfy · 30/05/2018 01:09

Ah... Zoe O'C. Have crossed swords with her elsewhere.

IJustHadToNameChange · 30/05/2018 01:37

I've just looked Zoe up.

I thought the letter was a touch obsessive for a handmaiden

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PlectrumElectrum · 30/05/2018 02:41

Suddenly it all makes sense. @DrRadFem - 👏👏👏👏

I'm honestly in awe of you & what you did to make this event happen. And special thanks also to David TC Davis MP. That ruling is soooo satisfying to read Grin

womanformallyknownaswoman · 30/05/2018 03:30

The first of many "NO's"

boatyardblues · 30/05/2018 08:14

David Davies included this link in his response: www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/meet-transgender-would-be-mp-lesbian-5583963

wishiwassizeeight · 30/05/2018 08:20

Such a sad story - I feel for Sylvia, how gaslit she is by these two deluded narcissistic men.

TerfsUp · 30/05/2018 08:21

Poor Zoe. So many complaints; so little substance.

Lemonjello · 30/05/2018 08:32

A married father of three who worked in IT and had a dabble on tumblr.

It’s a classic modern day fairytale ❤️🧡💛💚💙💜

CAAKE · 30/05/2018 08:34

Yes wishiwas, I felt the same after reading this Guardian article about them. Gaslighting doesn't even begin to cover it.

www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2013/apr/20/greatest-sexual-taboo-polyamorous-transgender

R0wantrees · 30/05/2018 10:14

My understanding is that the Lib Dem LGBT+ twitter account is run by four people.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3211247-The-Lib-Dem-LGBT-twitter-feed-is-annoyed-at-Mumsnet

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3207415-Just-when-you-thought-the-LibDems-couldnt-out-crazy-Labour

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AssignedPuuurfectAtBirth · 30/05/2018 10:23

WTF did I just read?

TerfAndSerf · 30/05/2018 12:06

Apparently men aren't murdering people.

Rad fems are murdering trans people.

With words. 🤔

R0wantrees · 30/05/2018 12:08

LibDem LGBT+ twitter account has continued to assert that Mumsnet members are 'calling for a new section 28'.

This has resonance.

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TerfAndSerf · 30/05/2018 14:18

We are not calling for a new Section 28

That's libellous.

R0wantrees · 30/05/2018 14:48

Re Claim 'Mumsnetters call for Section 28'
I think this originates from Emma Healy's blog (MN intern who breached data etc). The MN comment which EH used misrepresented the poster's position (they were supporting trans rights and challenging others on the thread).

I think (from memory) the LibDem LGBT+ twitter account claimed that there was further evidence within the thread.

The blog (which was taken down) & subsequent claim has been widely repeated and perhaps absorbed as truth by some.

Zoe O'Connell's speech at the last LibDem conference references the role that party members played in challenging S28 and how she was personally affected by it as a young person.
www.complicity.co.uk/blog/2018/03/4350/

Interestingly, during the recent debate on homophobia, biphobia and transphobia in Westminster, Dawn Butler also referred to a social media platform & calls for a new section 28. She did not identify which social media platform.
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3251616-Parliament-debate-on-homophobia-today-tweet-MP-if-you-would-like-lesbian-voices-to-be-represented

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R0wantrees · 30/05/2018 15:57

Andrew Gilligan comment, Zoe O'Connell also made "equally stupid" IPSO complaint against him:

twitter.com/mragilligan/status/1001830695466041344

Link to embedded IPSO judgement : www.ipso.co.uk/rulings-and-resolution-statements/ruling/?id=20177-17

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spontaneousgiventime · 30/05/2018 15:59

Thank goodness somewhere in amongst the powers that be there is some common sense.

MistAmougstElephants · 30/05/2018 16:01

Yup standing up to bullies works if you are a man who is most probably white

Good news anyway!

Popchyk · 30/05/2018 20:55

From the IPSO document:

"The newspaper was entitled to report on research findings relating to the impact of proposed reforms to the Gender Recognition Act. This was a matter of significant public interest, particularly in the absence of official figures on the issue. "

That was good to read.

PlectrumElectrum · 30/05/2018 21:29

This bit too from the IPSO response to the complaint:

"In this instance, the complainant’s objection to the organisation which had published the research, and her concern that the newspaper had report its findings without seeking comment from trans organisations, did not engage the terms of Clause 12." Clause 12 "(Discrimination) is designed to protect identified individuals from prejudicial or pejorative references to their race, colour, religion, sex, gender identity, sexual orientation or any physical or mental illness or disability."

BeyondSceptical · 31/05/2018 00:53

Ahhhhh. Iirc Sarah Brown is one of lgbtLD twitter, yes?

So here we have the other two... who is number four...? Hmm

AnotherQuoll · 31/05/2018 02:05

Sarah Brown's that revolting creature who told lesbians to "lick my "formaldehyde pickled testicles", and ..I can't even write the other bit it was so disgusting..But it was again about male genitals and directed at a well known lesbian feminist. I can't believe Brown is allowed by any political party to represent them. What is wrong with the Greens???

OrchidInTheSun · 31/05/2018 03:31

Brown is LibDem, not Green. Aimee Challenor is Green

Popchyk · 31/05/2018 09:40

The Greens, Lib Dems and Labour TRAs all work together to hound people in their own parties and in the other parties.

So you'll get Green Party members complaining to Labour about Miranda Yardley being Trans Officer in the Constituency Labour Party.

Lily Madigan of Labour will complain about the Labour councillor Ann Sinnott who defeated Lib Dem Sarah Brown at the local council elections.

They have loyalty to other TRAs, but have no loyalty to their own party. Strangely this goes unremarked upon in their own parties.

Aimee Challenor has an interesting past by the way.

www.coventrytelegraph.net/news/coventry-news/green-party-general-election-transgender-13092743

R0wantrees · 31/05/2018 12:11

Stonewall's Trans Advisory Group:

Sarah Brown & Aimee Challoner are part of this- not sure about Labour.

www.stonewall.org.uk/trans-advisory-group

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