Assigning a different sex at birth

[Pratchet]

Since gender has nothing to do with genitals why can't parents do this?

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Lol no but actually

Happy BH Monday Pratchett

I know someone who did that. Dad due to announce baby’s sex to the room, not wearing glasses, obstetrician held up baby with umbilical cord still dangling down, Dad: “it’s a boy!”, midwife: “...try again”

Someone should do it. Why not?

It's not the parents who assign the sex though. It's the pesky healthcare professionals who record the fact that woman X gave birth to a live male (or female) baby - you can't just go to the registry office to register a birth to a girl (or boy) if no health care professional backs up your claim.

If you did get a child with xx chromosomes and a body shape to match registered as male at birth, presumably if they later self-Identified as female they would be welcomed into the trans community - and as a minority within that community their opinions should be centred and heard and celebrated as the most discriminated-against of all

Nice thought-experiment -- unfortunately it would be child-abuse to give it a try in reality.

It's more abusive to assign the female sex to a baby because they have the more difficult lives though. And since sex has nothing to do with genitals then the parents should have the right to assign any sex they wish.

It was just me & DH when I birthed our third DH said it's a boy.... nope definitely female

You don't know that

she (they?) does like climbing trees a lot

She/they was a dog for about 3 months last year so maybe non-species too? Urggh it's so so wrong to randomly assign people creatures according to animal kingdom classification!

I did panic when dd was born

Couldnt figure out where her willy was

Kept checking her nappy for weeks

I was assigned female at birth, but based on the spam in my inbox I am actually actually a hetero man. Just waiting for my willy to grow in. Who do I complain to? It's been 45 years.

Not a nice thread for those who have intersex children of indeterminate genitalia, often discovered at birth - the very moment you are mocking, when you realise you are in to a decision process.

This is a really narrow-minded and unsympathetic thread. Pursue your cause, but can you really not do it without pissing on another group of parents by echoing their RL as a form of mockery to others.

I am not being narrow-minded, and I'm mocking no one. I am quite seriously asking why we cannot assign either sex to a child, since sex has nothing to do with genitals. Since females have a pretty bad time of it, one should try to give one's child a more privileged gender, which is male. They could change their minds later, as young as two or three I'm told. So why not?

I don’t think the thread is a complete mockery, though - there is a serious point underneath it. The phrase ‘assigned female/male at birth’ really should only be used for intersex people where the medical professionals involved DO have to exercise some judgement.

However it is used for anyone who does not believe they fit the narrow criteria which are gender-specific for masculine and feminine traits. No-one who is not intersex is assigned male or female, they ARE male or female. They may be assigned masculine or feminine gender stereotypes, but it is a mockery of biological and reproductive differences to digest this equals male or female sex differences.

Well, you joke, but Morgane Oger says that sex should not be recorded on the birth certificate at all. And (s)he has some political influence.

I'm not even sure where to start with that - except to say that biological sex is being erased. Right now, in front of our very eyes. Very surreal.

nice

I dont see the problem with the rest of the thread

But i agree my last post was out of order

I'll report it

Nice

The transgender movement have completely appropriated the intersex term. I'm sorry for that but it means people are going to challenge it.

My point is extremely serious. Even if sex is not recorded it is clear there are male and female sex differences.

Pratchet, I agree, of course. There are basic, factual biological differences between males and females, and we will not be gaslighted by Morgane Oger, or by the concept of a lady penis. Any more than we would be gaslighted to say the sky is now pink.

"An eight-month old Canadian baby has been issued a health card without a gender marker, in what could be the first case in the world.

Parent Kori Doty - a non-binary transgender person who identifies as neither male nor female - aims to allow the child to discover their own gender.

The health card has been issued with a "U" in the space for "sex", which could be for "undetermined" or "unassigned".

Kori Doty is fighting to omit the gender from the birth certificate."

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-40480386

Children with disorders of sexual differentiation do seem to be another group chucked under the bus by the TRAs.

The vast majority of babies are not assigned a sex, their sex is identified and recorded. It is incredibly stressful and distressing for the parents where this is not possible. Think about it: you ring up to say "I've had the baby!" and the first response is "Boy or girl?" To not be able to know something so integral to your baby, and to also know that the reason it isn't clear may be a sign of significant medical problems? Very, very difficult. I find it pretty disgusting that this situation has been co-opted by the TRAs. I think we need to be careful how we phrase things to ensure that, whilst opposing the TRA agenda, we are not joining them in making things even worse for these families.

TinyRick, you beat me to it
the Lord be praised!