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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Trans Student Faces Expulsion from Univeristy of Bristol

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ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 25/05/2018 21:26

www.crowdjustice.com/case/trans-student-faces-expulsion-uob/

Does anyone have the info from the University's side?

I am facing disciplinary board at the University of Bristol for writing an open letter asking the University to take a stand against the infamously transphobic group, "A Woman's Place".

The University claim that the open letter contained, "false information", that I have attempted to "suppress fellow students' freedom of speech", and by trying to address hatred towards trans people, and particularly trans women, I have, "brought the University into disrepute"

Expulsion seems a bit excessive?

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Terfulike · 25/05/2018 22:42

Exactly nooka.

A storm in a teacup.

nooka · 25/05/2018 22:42

Oh and given this students alleged behaviour I think the university is absolutely right to take disciplinary action.

Code of conduct: www.bristol.ac.uk/media-library/sites/secretary/documents/student-rules-and-regs/student-disciplinary-regulations.pdf

I would expect the case has been brought on at least the following grounds:
Violent, indecent, disorderly, threatening, intimidating or offensive behaviour or language, whether expressed verbally or in writing, including in electronic form
Failure to respect the rights of others to freedom of belief and freedom of speech;

If they also took action against or spoke or wrote about members of the university then there are provisions related to safety and harassment too.

thebewilderness · 25/05/2018 22:43

It is a crime to target a protected group.
The uni is addressing it I suppose to spare them being interviewed under caution by police and investigated for inciting violence against a protected group.
Unless they were one of the creeps wearing a mask on the stairs at the Jam Jar and someone got a picture of them.

whywhywhywhywhyyy · 25/05/2018 22:47

As an ex student, Bristol is notoriously pro trans, the SU votes down plenty of speakers, and the LGBT+ society is powerful and active.

Looking at the trans student's page, they are heavily supportive of a male to trans prisoner who has been repeatedly refused parole because he is sexually attracted to children between six and ten years old, and has committed multiple sexual assaults on children. I suspect this is what has led to them bringing the university into disrepute.

Terfulike · 25/05/2018 22:48

That's an interesting idea bewilder. That the uni is actually trying to protect him or themselves.

gendercritter · 25/05/2018 22:49

I think the university is doing the right thing. They need to make a stand. It sounds highly unlikely the student will be expelled and nor should they be but you need to send a clear message that universities are home to freedom of speech.

His research sounds awful.

Terfing · 25/05/2018 22:51

We are only hearing one side of the story here. Methinks Bristol may have a different take on this student...

Terfulike · 25/05/2018 22:55

If why why is correct the uni officials are definitely in the right

IJustHadToNameChange · 25/05/2018 22:58

I love these disingenuous protests where they don't reproduce the actual evidence which got them into trouble.

What did the original letter/post/blog entry say?

AngryAttackKittens · 25/05/2018 22:58

The combination of research and support for that particular prisoner does paint a not very flattering picture of the student. There may be some legal ass-covering going on on the part of the uni.

R0wantrees · 25/05/2018 23:15

This thread may be relevant:

twitter.com/FeministRoar/status/989560579223322624

NotARegularPenguin · 25/05/2018 23:21

There must be more to it than the letter because Nic is neither the proposer or the seconder of the letter/motion.

R0wantrees · 25/05/2018 23:23

from the crowdfunder:
"I need £2,500 to pay the incredible Raj Chada of Hodge Jones and Allen fame to represent me at the disciplinary board. The University will have legal representation, so it is important I do too. "

Raj Chada seems a significant choice of representation.
www.hja.net/legal-team/raj-chada/

Offred · 25/05/2018 23:26

I’d be shocked and consider it very unfair if this student was expelled based on the complaints they have outlined. No need to ruin someone’s future.

I won’t be shocked if it turns out expulsion is only a general possibility for any disciplinary panel and that the main reason for the disciplinary has been left out.

spontaneousgiventime · 25/05/2018 23:30

This is good news, I don't think they should be expelled but I do believe they should face some disciplinary action. You can't go around shutting down debate simply because you don't like the subject.

Offred · 25/05/2018 23:31

To be fair would it not be dodgy to reproduce what got them in trouble in the first place...

R0wantrees · 25/05/2018 23:31

As well as keeping me at the University of Bristol, the outcome of this case will have important implications for both the trans community and for future attempts at holding Universities to account.

from the crowd funder statement:

"If I am expelled as a result of voicing opposition to trans-hatred, this will set a dangerous precedent, silencing future students wishing to stand up for themselves and their community in the face of hatred towards trans people. This is likely to be particularly damaging for trans women, trans people of colour and international trans students, whose right to remain in the UK is tied to retaining a student visa. It would demonstrate that the University can silence marginalised students with impunity."

LizzieSiddal · 26/05/2018 01:47

The fact they are stating that the letter was about stopping “trans -hatred” isn’t going to help them is it?
There is no “trans-hatred”. They are lying.

LizzieSiddal · 26/05/2018 01:48

Sorry, meant to add there is no trans-hatred at these AWP meetings.

thebewilderness · 26/05/2018 01:57

The transgender advocates define women's rights as anti trans. Any time women gather to talk about women's rights it is characterized as trans hatred.
Just like they have been doing here on the MN Feminist board.

Starkstaring · 26/05/2018 07:37

And good to see that Transmen aren't his concern at all!

thewitchofwentworth · 26/05/2018 07:42

Here is the open letter they wrote to the Vice Chancellor

openletterbristol.wordpress.com/

To quote,

"Dear Professor Brady,

As feminist scholars, we are writing to express our concern at the news that disciplinary procedures have been initiated against a PhD student who petitioned against a discriminatory event associated with the University of Bristol.

The student, Nic Shall, wrote a petition opposing an event organised by the anti-trans campaign group “A Woman’s Place”. Shall has been accused by the Vice Chancellor’s office of writing a letter containing false information, attempting to suppress the free speech of fellow students, and bringing the university into disrepute. They have been threatened with expulsion.

We believe that the disciplinary action against Shall represents an attack on the democratic right to free expression, and that it is this action that brings the University of Bristol into disrepute. The student in question is, in effect, being threatened with expulsion for writing a petition. If the University of Bristol is to uphold the principle of free speech and encourage political debate, then students and staff must be afforded the right to openly express their principled opposition to bigotry and discrimination.

We further insist that Shall’s letter did not contain false information in stating that “A Women’s Place” provide a platform for hate speech. This group is committed solely to campaigning against trans rights, as enshrined in legislation such as the Gender Recognition Act 2004 and the Equality Act 2010. Speakers at events hosted by “A Women’s Place” have propagated ignorant and harmful narratives through the use of offensive stereotypes, drawing a false dichotomy between trans rights and women’s rights, and misrepresenting both empirical research and current laws. The group has thereby played a role in creating moral panic about trans people’s role in public life, and contributed to atmosphere of fear and shame among trans people.

Finally, we believe that the right to free speech must be balanced with a responsibility to promote respect and justice for all. The University of Bristol Equality and Diversity Policy states that the University aims to create an inclusive environment that respects the diversity of its staff and students. It further commits to complying with the requirements of the Equality Act 2010, which include a duty to advance equality of opportunity and foster good relations between people who share a protected characteristic and those who do not. The University of Bristol holds an Athena SWAN bronze award and is a Stonewall Diversity champion; both schemes require that the institution actively uphold the right of trans students and staff to participate in academic life on a free and equitable basis.

In threatening Shall with expulsion and offering tacit support to an openly anti-trans event, the University of Bristol has demonstrated that it does not provide an environment in which trans students and staff can reasonably participate in fair and open political debate. Both actions clearly violate the principles of the University’s Equality and Diversity policy, as well as the Athena SWAN charter and Stonewall Diversity Champion scheme.

As such, we hope that the Vice Chancellor’s office will act swiftly to dismiss the disciplinary against Nic Shall, and apologise for the hurt caused to trans students and staff by the institution’s position on the “A Woman’s Place” event."

TerfsUp · 26/05/2018 08:09

Expulsion seems a bit excessive?

Nope. Actions have consequences.

nauticant · 26/05/2018 08:35

I'm not sure about expulsion, but then I don't know what the specific charges are and whether they are backed up with evidence.

The focus should be on putting them into a public space and making them explain, in a civilised way, without slurs, slogans, or silencing, what they think they can justify in terms of language and tactics, for example obstruction, verbal abuse, intimidation, closing down meetings by attacking venues, wearing masks, turning up with dogs, Degenderettes accessorising, etc.

I'd also like them to be asked for specific examples of the transphobia of WPUK that they believe justifies use of these tactics.

What this needs is sunlight with people looking on and being free to make up their own minds.

BottleBeach · 26/05/2018 09:30

40% of the transgender identified males currently incarcerated are there for sex offenses.

Does anyone have a source for that statistic please?

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