Thoughts on the Gender Recognition Reforms

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So there's a lot of talk on here about self-IDing when it comes to the Gender Recognition Act, from what it seems at the moment its the signing of a statutory declaration in front of a solicitor or a local magistrate. If someone was to false declare would be perjury and you could be in prisoned

The self declaration system works well in Ireland, there have been no reported issues from what I've researched and the fact that there have been no reported issues raises an important point.

Because there have been no issues with this system in Ireland and in other countries (like Malta and so on), the anti-trans rights campaigners are trying to make a show of trying to create an issue where there isn’t one. A lot of points that anti trans campaigners are making are to do with the Equality Act (access to changing rooms, services and so on).

On the forms for the gender recognition act and also the forms for the Irish self declaration, the person has to declare that its their intention to live as woman (or man) for the rest of their lives.

So in all its just going to make things easier for trans people to get a birth certificate that matches their gender identity and makes it less stressful from having to submit two years worth of paperwork to a board that meets a few times a year to see if they're 'trans enough'.

So what's the big deal with this?

It erases women as a class.
It undermines The Equality Act.
It will erase women's right to women only spaces and services without addressing the reasons why we need them. So until you have spent time on a psychiatric ward I'm going to assume you mean well but don't know what you are talking about.

It takes away a woman's ability to challenge. Currently, if a man walks into a ladies changing room, most women would feel comfortable to challenge them. With self ID, you would be on a much more sticky wicket with challenging someone as any challenge could be deemed as transphobic. This will drive a lot of people into silent acceptance of situations where they may not be comfortable as the fear of being denounced of transphobic outweighs their instinct to challenge.
Once the ability to challenge is removed, it will mean that anyone (regardless of if they self ID or not) can use any space without fear of someone asking them why they are there

It’s also really bad science.

We have to pretend women have dicks. They don’t, men have dicks. They might also have delusions about dresses and lipstick and other stereotyping, but still: penis possessor = man.

Hmm. It took me 5 tests spread over a period of nearly 20 years to pass my driving test.

I'd always wanted to drive, I felt like I would be good at driving, but meeting the mandatory criteria to get a licence was a real pain in the arse.

I should have just been able to sign a form to say I promised to drive carefully for the rest of my life. That would have been much better for me right, and I probably wouldn't have killed too many people til I got the hang of it?

OP - agree with everything in your post.

Would add that legal self-id would also allow people who today cannot change their legal gender as they do/did not suffer from gender dysphoria to change their gender - detransitioners, intersex people and historic transitioners.

Because of things like www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3220193-Welsh-Womens-Aid-Trans-Inclusion-Statement and people like Danielle Muscato accessing women's shelters whilst looking very male (beard) with no regard for the vulnerable women there.

If you can't keep accurate statistics, you can't tell if women are being treated fairly or not.

@SarahAr Why did you introduce intersex people into this debate? If intersex people want self ID, I'm pretty sure most people would support that.

Because there have been no issues with this system in Ireland and in other countries (like Malta and so on), the anti-trans rights campaigners are trying to make a show of trying to create an issue where there isn’t one.

"This never happens" appears to be repeatedly revealed as propaganda marketed by transgender advocates, all evidence to the contrary.

Women's rights and feminist organizations being declared anti-trans is one of the obvious signs that the person doing so is either a propagandist or a narcissist.
Neither transgender advocates nor males are focus of Feminism nor the main characters in the stories of women's lives, no matter how much they want to be.

ChattyLions made an interesting point about how many countries that allow self ID (such as Malta and Ireland) have strict laws controlling abortion.
And of course transitioning is also mandatory in Iran for gay people, who face the death penalty if they refuse to transition.

Actually having read a great deal about it because of these proposals I now feel that the gender recognition act should be repealed as it is not fit for purpose.

It's not possible to change your biological sex and so is issuing anything in a different sex like a birth certificate is just a legal fiction.

If my son were to transition he'll be able to get a birth certificate saying that a girl was born on the date he was born however that is not true I gave birth to a son and he will always be male with male biology and will suffer illnesses pertaining to that biology.

So rather than being able to self identify as the opposite gender I think we should just remove all gender barriers anyone can present as they wish which I think is the case really anyway but there's no need for any kind of legal fiction saying that you can change your sex because that just isn't true.

Who told you there are no problems with it in Ireland?

anti trans campaigners

This is a feminist board talking about women and girls. If you have a problem with anti trans campaigners, go and tell them. Unless thebewilderness is correct and you have renamed feminism as anti trans?

Advance search this OP: they first posted ever three days ago, no activity prior to that. Arf arf?

“I now feel that the gender recognition act should be repealed as it is not fit for purpose.

It's not possible to change your biological sex and so is issuing anything in a different sex like a birth certificate is just a legal fiction.”

I completely agree.

So do I.

Me too