The Transgender Agenda: Critiquing its origins, ideology, methods and goals

[Kyanite]

I just came across this video today and found it incredibly interesting.

It's a talk given by a Dr last year, 50 minutes long, very clear and engaging. Hopefully others will find it interesting too.

"Ergo you can't prove anything is innate if you can't control for outside influences.

"Ergo you can't prove anything is innate if you can't control for outside influences."

All Countries/Societies are not the same

Randomly saw this Twitter thread on the gender gap in education this AM:

"In nearly all countries girls do better than boys at reading but in most countries boys do better than maths. However - in countries with higher gender equality girls do even better in reading and also close the maths gap (even eliminating it in the most equal countries)." - twitter.com/Samfr/status/999029600700289025

"The same thing is happening in England. As society gets more equal (not yet equal of course) the gender gap keeps widening in favour of girls. In 2015 girls were 10% ahead on the "attainment 8" GCSE measure. In 2017 they were 13%. It's going up year on year."

"So why such a big gender gap? If it's not environment and it's not genetics then it must be something to do with the process of education. (And I don't think - boys need to do practical things like woodwork is the answer....)"

Whilst the author isn't sure of what is causing the gap it IS another tangible example of how as a society increases in equality then differences between men and women, in this educational achievements, become bigger not smaller.

fms I'm sorry, I have no idea what your point is? Where was I saying anything about all countries or societies being the same?

The brain scan study - I disagree with the conclusion that people with gender dusphoria have a brain structure similar to the sex they identify with. That newspaper article is a poor summary of the work.

1. Because for starters there isn’t the baseline to say that yet. You can’t look at a brain scan and say ‘Male brain’ or female brain.

1. There are some structural differences between Male and female brains on average - you’d expect that, a lot of other physical structures show dimorphic difference. Where it differs with brain is that you can’t say ‘the specific brain is male’ - other bits you can - the pelvis you can be pretty much sure of, ditto skulls, and all the usual dangly squidgey bits.

1. What the researchers found was more a structural item/issue/pattern/abnormality connected to dysphoria - you might expect again to see such differences associated with a range of conditions, like body dysmorphias, anorexia and schizophrenia

1. There’s no indication of if what they found was causal or consequential.

1. The conclusions the authors say they found is not supported by the data in the paper and has also been distorted more by the press (unfortunelu the latter is a bit of a problem with science reporting...)

This specific paper was critiqued on here a little while ago by a neuroscientist (I am not a neuroscientist, I’m a genetics/development bod ) and she was very thorough in her analysis of it. I’ll see if I can find her post...

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3196135-Scientists-please-gather-round

Here we go. The paper is critiqued (shredded actually, give these women jobs as reviewers :) ) and there’s a couple of actual neuroscientists in the thread.

" Men take shortcuts, while women follow well-known routes

Study confirms that men and women tend to adopt different navigation strategies and men navigate more efficiently than women"

www.springer.com/gp/about-springer/media/research-news/all-english-research-news/men-take-shortcuts--while-women-follow-well-known-routes/15780832

Loving to hear how nurture/society influences this?

What’s that got to do with the MRI paper on pink brains? And the neuroscientist who has nicely explained the flaws in the paper?

If you’ve no rebuttal to that it’s OK - I’m not a neuroscientist either. But it’s bad form to just plop down another study. Will you keep going through random studies if we rebut that one too?

"What’s that got to do with the MRI paper on pink brains?"

Where did I say it had anything to do with it?

Again like in the latest JP thread I'm past caring enough to have to explain the obvious to people

Fmsfms.

Given you refuse to accept any alternative hypothesis to your Equality and innate ability hypothesis, perhaps you will instead consider how a well known effect called berksons paradox might affect your interpretation?

We start from a position that we only have data for a range of equality levels, each corresponding to a country. We do not have any data from countries with an equality level higher than about 75/100. I.e. We know we have no equal counties nor countries where the inequality is the other way around.

We observe a relationship. It goes counter to expectation. But We know that this is a common occurrence when the data sampled does not fully cover the problem domain. Without countries in the range 75 to 100 we are mathematically stuck.

I think Wikipedia gives an example with pictures based on burger bars. It shows that if you are not sampling from the full range, you get wrong results. Results that go a different way to the way that you would see if you had all the data range covered.

Fmsfms the ability to navigate and use maps is a taught skill, I do not understand how you could not see that there might...just might...be a nurture and therefore social aspect to that.

Thanks for demonstrating you didn't read the article.

I have no idea what your point is?

Really? I think his point is pretty clear...

Women can’t understand science or the ‘rules’ of debate so he comes to feminism chat to explain how he knows all the science facts...

It’s a bit sad really... when someone is that insecure...

Ah yes, ALL the science. Any science. They won't know will they? Stupid wimmin.

I am a scientist.

It’s very odd, insecure behaviour. Slightly lecturing, very hectoring, very Male in aggressiveness and refusal to debate, knows the buzzwords, but doesn't understand the science at all

I’ll just leave this little gem from last week’s Private Eye here...

knows the buzzwords

It's all about the buzzwords. You can't make lordly pronouncements without them!