Chesterton's fence and the trans debate

[Freespeecher]

Chesterton's point was that, if reformers want to remove a fence from a road, they should only be able to do so if they can explain why it was deemed necessary in the first place.

An idea that's particularly pertinent to the current Trans debate - if Trans activists want unisex toilets etc, they would need to explain why s x-specific toilets were deemed necessary in the first place, which you'd think would make them more open to compromise.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Chesterton%27s_fence

(Well I found it interesting anyway).

I like that a lot. I like a good practical test for ideas.

Much as I'd like to take credit I merely half-inched it from a poster on another forum.

I like it

Just because there doesn't seem to be a reason for this fence to be here doesn't mean there isn't a reason

If the TRAs acknowledged the reason the fence was there it would be their undoing …….so they ignore it/dismiss it/put it down/ridicule it.

But worse than that, they have already ridden roughshod over most of the fence and it's only a few informed, local, female peasants who are standing up to the entitled male landowners..

Bump.

Yes it's one of my main arguments when arguing on Twitter.

Why are the sexes segregated by biology in the first place? There has to be a reason for this. It's never been answered satisfactorily.

If I say what about sports their answer usually is "I don't care about sports" or "I think all sports should be unisex anyway as that's fairer" which is obvious nonsense.

Or if you do feel the issue it addressed is no longer valid, frame your argument for deletion in a way that acknowledges that.

And that is impossible. Male violence and female oppression still exist therefore an argument against sex-based spaces, programs or provisions cannot acknowledge the reason for their existence without invalidating the argument against them.

Thank you for this - it's an excellent point.

I didn't know the theory had a name.

Just because TIM exist, doesn't mean that women and girls don't need and want sex segregation.

TRA are demanding that sex segregation is abolished because they don't want women and girls to have spaces to themselves. There's no other explanation for their demands.

Thank you. You have just provided me with a name for my compulsion to ask "why do you think some facilities are sex-segregated in the first place?" Whenever faced with the TRAS demands to be included in female spaces.
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Interesting!