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Woman incites murder by ex

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ReanimatedMuse · 14/05/2018 13:17

Sorry for DM but just been sent this:

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5725913/Mother-sent-photo-performing-sex-act-man-ex-charged-inciting-assault.html

A woman has been charged with inciting her ex to murder her current partner after she sent ex an intimate photo of her with her new partner.

Judge had ruled that the photo had a "very important bearing" on the murders actions and the woman now faces trial.

Women always to blame for the violence of men

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CaffeineAndCrochet · 14/05/2018 13:20

Saw it earlier today. Whatever happened to someone being responsible for their own actions?

Bowlofbabelfish · 14/05/2018 13:22

Ye gods. Man kills woman. Woman to blame. Again.

AssassinatedBeauty · 14/05/2018 13:36

I'm confused. The article says that she sent a text with the picture, telling the ex where her current partner was and inviting him to go round and assault her current partner. Is that right? That would seem to fit the description of incitement to assault.

Aridane · 14/05/2018 13:44

Yes - there seem to be two charges, one as per Assassinated summary and another more general one.

Usernumbers1234 · 14/05/2018 13:50

On the surface it looks shocking, but probably best to wait for the details in the trial before drawing a conclusion.

The report below the headline suggests she sent the photo, sent details of where the guy was and told him to assault her partner”

And she’s being charged with sending a message asking someone to assault her partner.

Yes. She’s not responsible for his actions. But she is responsible for hers, seems like more to this story than the OP is presenting

Buggered · 14/05/2018 13:57

Ye gods. Man kills woman. Woman to blame. Again.

Man kills man.

Aridane · 14/05/2018 13:59

Indeed!

Usernumbers1234 · 14/05/2018 14:17

The fact that people respond to this post having not even skim read the actual article speaks volumes as to where the feminism part of this site has taken itself these days. It used to be somewhere you could read and partake in a balanced debate and I found it the most informative part of the forums.

Since it’s become trans-rant central it’s just become some group think echo chamber that couldn’t care less about the details of a topic.

greendale17 · 14/05/2018 14:20

**The report below the headline suggests she sent the photo, sent details of where the guy was and told him to assault her partner”

And she’s being charged with sending a message asking someone to assault her partner.**

^Whilst she didn’t stabbed the man, her actions led to the death of a man. She is right to be charged.

A4710Rider · 14/05/2018 14:23

I think the woman has to realise that she has to take some responsibility for her actions here to be honest.

AssassinatedBeauty · 14/05/2018 14:28

I don't know @Usernumbers1234, I think it's fairly typical of online behaviour. I see it all over Facebook where people comment on stuff without engaging their critical faculties. Hence the rise of all the fake news and so on.

Usernumbers1234 · 14/05/2018 14:35

Very true assassinated. Just wasn’t always the case around these parts.

UpstartCrow · 14/05/2018 17:27

3 people commented including the OP, and that's proof that the feminist section has gone to hell?

Usernumbers1234 · 14/05/2018 18:01

Not in itself no, but like I said, this was an informative part of the site this time last year.

Now it’s
OP posts link, doesn’t read link.
Poster 1 doesn’t read link, agrees with op
Poster 2 doesn’t read link, agrees with op

Finally someone reads the link. Points out error.

Thread falls silent because it’s not beating up men and or trans person.

It’s an interesting case, with implications. A year ago there would have been debate and discussion.

AssassinatedBeauty · 14/05/2018 18:14

I don't know, it looks to me like the thread goes quiet after the change of topic onto how rubbish or not FWR is now.

What did you want to debate and discuss, @Usernumbers1234? What are the implications of this case that you're concerned about?

LassWiADelicateAir · 14/05/2018 18:46

www.google.com/amp/s/en.mogaznews.com/World-News/amp/902764

This link has as full a story as you are likely to get given proceedings are ongoing. If you scroll right to the end it contains the text which is being treated as incitement.

^She is alleged to have texted Saunders saying: 'I have just smashed the lad clean in the face because he wouldn't go home. What have I got myself involved with?'
And prosecutors will claim that she added: 'He is outside the house, feel free to smack the c*.'^

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ReanimatedMuse · 14/05/2018 18:51

I did read the article, which makes it clear that it is the intimate photo that is claimed tipped the defendent over the edge and not the message that stated "He is outside the house, feel free to smack the c*".

It should be noted that the second message followed a message where she stated she had to slap him because he didn't leave the house.

usernumbers you want a more appropriate analysis? how about is sending messages saying:

"I had to slap him to get rid of him"
followed by one saying

"he's outside (relevant because she's trying to get rid of him) feel free to slap the c**"

Sufficient to be inciting murder? Or is this a case of women being held accountable for a violent mans behaviour?

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QuentinSummers · 14/05/2018 18:51

I've read lasses link and I agree with the OP.
A text saying "feel free to smack the c*" is hardly making him do it.
I have no idea from the articles why she sent the explicit pic but fgs. Men need to be able to control their jealousy. It is not a reason to murder someone.

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ReanimatedMuse · 14/05/2018 18:52

Lass thanks for that link - makes it even clearer that it is the explicit photo that was deemed to be the problematic message.

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LassWiADelicateAir · 14/05/2018 19:03

Sufficient to be inciting murder? I don't think so but sufficient to be inciting an assault? Possibly.

Or is this a case of women being held accountable for a violent man's behaviour?

She is not accountable for that. However she might well be accountable for inciting the ex to attack the other man. She had already got rid of the other man- she didn't need to invite the ex over to rescue her.

I have no idea why she sent the pictures. Were they supposed to make the ex jealous ? or to rouse him to support her getting rid of the other man because she was being forced?

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