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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

UK Violence against women costs more than total Defence Spending

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womanformallyknownaswoman · 11/05/2018 12:15

Cost of VAW to UK economy £40billion

Cost of defence spending 2015 £37 billion

This is astounding - I stand to be corrected if necessary but I have checked the sources and they are both trustworthy

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UpstartCrow · 11/05/2018 12:21

This is a very effective comparison Star
If this were happening to any other group on anywhere near this scale, it just would not be tolerated.

rememberthetime · 11/05/2018 12:35

And that is based on hugely underfunded services. Probably the actually spending needs to be double this.

womanformallyknownaswoman · 11/05/2018 12:44

Just as I think my gast can't be flabbered any further, LangCleg

That's how I'm feeling now - mouth open. Shock Shock

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PermissionToSpeakSir · 11/05/2018 13:15
Shock
QuarksandLeptons · 11/05/2018 17:53

This is insane. This should be ALL over the media.
This means that due to short term thinking the country actually loses money by being heartless and refusing to spend money preventing abuse from happening.

womanformallyknownaswoman · 12/05/2018 06:32

Insane is the word - wilful ignoring of the problem

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changeypants · 12/05/2018 06:41

Totally shocking

leggere · 12/05/2018 06:48

Imagine the further increased cost when we have men in our toilets then? Because we all know what's bound to happen, despite the denials.

leggere · 12/05/2018 06:58

What about injuries to women during mixed sports, wonder if that will be classed as violence agsinst women or "sports injuries"? Silly question really.

womanformallyknownaswoman · 12/05/2018 07:45

I made a pie-chart - safe Imgur link

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VikingVolva · 12/05/2018 08:07

I would be careful about using this comparison, as I don't think the costs have been compiled on the same basis.

Also, the link about the costs of VAWG refers to 'It's a Hard Knock Life' for info in costs, but that in turn refers to another (NPC ?) report. Does anyone know which report they mean, and be kind and link it?

Even basic confirmation there are no overlaps between the pie charts would be helpful (as it does rather look, as presented, that there is), as well as what costs are actually included. It will be a far more persuasive comparison when more explicit.

womanformallyknownaswoman · 12/05/2018 10:37

I like your train of thought - however my intention was to draw a broad comparison re the cost to the economy.

If you have the inclination to delve deeper that would be great.

The problem with stats around VAW is that they are often woefully incomplete and don't capture the full picture ime. However the Appendices in the Hard Knock Life Report go into detail on the sources and methods of the cost calculations. It also details how they took account of any double counting/ overlaps between different types of abuses. Is that what you mean by overlap? More information needed.

The defence stats are purely that - money spent on armed forces etc (no police etc)

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LaSqrrl · 13/05/2018 00:35

If I recall, the 'costs of DV' figure includes lost working hours etc - it did when I went to a DV seminar a number of years ago. Therefore, it does not represent a 'like for like' comparison (as in, the Government does not bear the full 'cost' of that £40bn). When I went to that seminar, the costs then were £37bn, so a rise of £3bn in about 10 years, and that has been against a backdrop of cutting costs for refuge/rape funding. What could be said about it, is that the government, in cutting funding, are actually getting the private sector to bear the costs of their woeful underfunding.

LaSqrrl · 13/05/2018 00:37

I will tag @BettyFloop into this thread, I suspect she may have some knowledge to contribute.

BlackeyedSusan · 13/05/2018 09:02

well I can throuw in a trip in an ambulance, an a and e visit, a couple of trips to the Gp a trip to the nurse to dress a wound, a couple of social services visits, and a police 999 response, plus the follow up to that including the DV team.

hows that for costing the government?

womanformallyknownaswoman · 13/05/2018 11:34

BlackeyedSusan - it's abomidable that happened to you and unfortunately all too common.

LaSqrrl What could be said about it, is that the government, in cutting funding, are actually getting the private sector to bear the costs of their woeful underfunding.

I found some extra info:

2012 Estimating the cost of gender based violence in the EU

Definitions: In 1993, the UN Declaration on the Elimination of Violence against Women offered the first official definition of the term “Gender-based Violence”: “Any act of gender-based violence that results in, or is likely to result in, physical, sexual or psychological harm or suffering to women, including threats of such acts, coercion or arbitrary deprivations of liberty, whether occurring in public or in private life.” Gender-based violence has become an umbrella term for any harm that is perpetrated against a person’s will, and that results from power inequalities that are based on gender roles. Around the world, gender-based violence almost always has a greater negative impact on women and girls. For this reason the term "Gender-based Violence" is often used interchangeably with the term "Violence against Women" (VAW). GBV principally affects those across all cultures. GBV can occur throughout a woman's lifecycle, and can include everything from early childhood marriage and genital mutilation, to sexual abuse, domestic violence, legal discrimination and exploitation.

Also ref. definitions in Council of Europe Convention on preventing and combating violence against women and domestic violence 2011.

14. Conclusion

The impact of gender-based violence and intimate partner violence on the economy and society is high. These costs are borne not only by individuals but also the whole society. This violence is detrimental to the economy in lost working time due to injuries. It drains resources from services for which the costs are borne publicly or collectively.

Economic cost of gender-based and intimate partner violence

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The review identified three main types of costs: lost economic output, services and the physical and emotional impact on the victim. The category of services was subdivide into: health serves, criminal justice system, civil legal sector, social welfare and specialised services. In all cases the identification of relevant data is a challenge.

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UK was chosen on the grounds that it has one of the most developed statistical systems and sources of quantitative data on gender-based and intimate partner violence in the EU

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Cost of IPV against women in UK is €14b and €16b for IPV against women and men.
Cost of all violence against women in UK is €29b and for gender based violence against women and men €33b.

By extrapolation:

Cost of IPV against women in EU is €110b and €123b for IPV against women and men.
Cost of all violence against women in EU is €226b (87%) and for gender based violence against women and men €259b.

The spending on specialised services to mitigate the harms and prevent the repetition of the violence is 3% of the cost of intimate partner violence against women. Specialist services, as discussed in Section 8.1, are immensely beneficial to women. The cost of specialised services is very small relative to the cost to economy and society. Th loss to the economy, through lost output as a result of injuries, is around 12%. Services especially criminal justice, make up around 30% of the cost of the violence. Just under half the cost is a result of the public estimation of the value placed on the physical and emotional impact that the violence causes. The proportion of the expenditure on this violence that is linked to focused attempts at mitigation and prevention is currently small.

The conclusion drawn here is that gender-based violence and intimate partner violence place large costs on economy and society. It is likely that an increase in the currently small amount on prevention and mitigation of harms, by increased spending on specialised services, would lead to a decrease in the extent and impact of the violence.

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womanformallyknownaswoman · 13/05/2018 11:44

Also this information is from Australia and shows who bears the cost of VAW - I find these shocking as the first pie chart shows:

that the Victims/survivors bear 52% of the total costs :(

followed by Community/Society (family and friends of targets) at 30%

and last govt. at 18% (note no mention of perpetrators bearing any of these costs!!)

The second pie chart (same Imgur link as above) shows a cost breakdown for the health portion of the total cost of VAW in Aus.:

where all levels of govt. bear 68% of cost,

Victims/survivors 20%,

Community/Society 11%

and fucking perpetrators bear 1% :(

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womanformallyknownaswoman · 13/05/2018 11:45

Why are the perpetrators made to pay more?….For the rest of their lives their earnings should be directed towards the upkeep their victims

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Vicky1990 · 13/05/2018 21:34

Is violence against men included in this or is that to be.added on?.

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