BBC attempt drag queen erasure

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Conchita Wurst is a drag queen, a bearded lady, a persona like Dame Edna Everage. Conchita is played by a gay man, Tom Neuwirth.

conchitawurst.com/bio/

The BBC however have come out with this bizarre crock of shit whereby Conchita Wurst (=sausage) is a transwoman

Because people who identify as TWs aren't very comfortable with the concept of drag queens, men in dresses. So the BBC is busy trying to deny their existence.

www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-44038316

"Born Thomas Neuwirth and raised in the conservative Austrian village of Bad Mitterndorf, Wurst has had to stare down prejudice since she first turned up to kindergarten wearing a skirt."

Thomas Neuwirth was not merely BORN Thomas Neuwirth, he remains Thomas Neuwirth.

Conchita is a character.

Paris Lees would tell you that this is 'gender fluidity' www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/may/12/conchita-drag-queen-transgender-ambassador-eurovision-winner-trans-gender-diversity

This makes no sense, any more than it makes sense that Anthony Hopkins is 'psychopath-fluid' for playing Hannibal Lecter.

A man who plays a woman is not less of a man because of that.

But the BBC seems keen to erase this.

Telling someone else how they identify is crossing a line.

Sorry who is telling who how they identify?

Doesn't crown mean the BBC is trying to tell Thomas how he identifies. In which case, I agree.

*Crow not crown.

Sorry, I wasn't clear. I was agreeing with yo
If a person says they are a gay man and a drag queen, I don't think the BBC has the right to print any article saying they are transgender.
I'm sick of seeing history rewritten and people erased as a result. Its bad enough when its historical figures who cant speak for themselves, but in this case its forcing someone to take on the trans activist crowd by speaking up for their own reality.

Yes, the Wikipedia article is quite clear, and Wikipedia is full of TRAs and similar types, and has a very strict preferred pronoun policy

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conchita_Wurst

"Conchita (from 2011 to 2015 Conchita Wurst) is the stage persona of Austrian singer, recording artist and drag queen Thomas Neuwirth (born 6 November 1988). Conchita came to international attention after winning the Eurovision Song Contest 2014 as Austria's entrant with the song "Rise Like a Phoenix". Neuwirth uses he/him pronouns when referring to himself but she/her pronouns to describe Conchita.

Born in Gmunden, Austria, Neuwirth moved to Graz to do his matura exam with a focus on fashion, before embarking on a singing career through the 2007 casting show Starmania. He subsequently became a founding member of the short-lived boy band Jetzt Anders!. In 2011, Neuwirth began appearing as Conchita – a female character noted for her beard – and came second in the Austrian pre-selection for the Eurovision Song Contest 2012."

Cross post, yes thats what I meant. I think its biased reporting as well as inaccurate.
I think as well as being a kind of 'misgendering', in the current climate its too much to put people in the position where they are seen as taking on trans activists.
(Especially PG, who seems to be flavour of the month for some unfathomable reason.)

That's like saying Lily Savage is transgender.

Paul O'Grady would have a few words. So would Lily.

Drag queens are defiantly men. In parody outfits. And usually gay.

Thank you for this. This explains Conchita Wurst to me as I was always confused.

There seems to be a pressure to erase both transvestites and drag queens. Some TRAs are even claiming that the word 'transvestite' is offensive.

If a man wants to put on a dress, for whatever reason, he doesn't have to identify as female. That's very sexist.

There is a very strict and rigid TRA binary, whereby you are either 'cisgender', in which case as a man you must like farting and football, or not. And if you do anything which TRAs consider to be part of their 'gender spectrum', they will immediately claim you as trans/gender-fluid. Various gay men of the past have been claimed as transgender on the basis that well they wore women's clothes so they must be trans.

The TRA logic breaks down completely because on the one hand Lily Madigan or Danielle Muscato are trans because they say so, but on the other they want to insist that people are trans because of the way they dress or behave. You can't really have it both ways. Either gender is a meaningless statement 'I am a woman' which has no basis in any sort of objective biological reality, in which case are only trans if they say they are trans, or it is something more concrete, in which case they should define the qualifying criteria.

I thought Conchita used the phrase 'I'm a drag Queen' though. I dont ever remember reading about 'her' until recently ( sure it was 'him' before).

Poor Conchita has bigger worries these days anyway.

What about Steve Coogan? He regularly became Pauline.

And does it make the Crankies a gay couple as she must've been a trans man?

Shouting down anything which shows up the TRA 'argument' for the nonsense it is, is going to be fun to watch.

White women identifying as black, drag queens, transvestites, trans species all show up the argument as fetish or illness.

Glasgow pride is banning drag queens because they say they're offensive. Never mind the way they shamelessly mock women - their opinions don't matter, unless they have stubble and ID as a woman. In which case they demand the other men stop pretending to be women because that's offensive except when they say they really are trans, even though they self ID as gay cis-men

Oooh - this came up for me yesterday. I referred to him (the person who perform as Conchita) as 'he' and was corrected. These were lefty middle aged women. So I explained that he himself calls himself a drag act. They didn't believe me, I could tell.

P.S I am pretty sure Conchita and her alter ego would enjoy Erasure

@UpstartCrow

(Especially PG, who seems to be flavour of the month for some unfathomable reason.)

Who's PG?

Cross dressing, dragqueens and transvestite seem to be dirty offensive words these days just because some transexuals find this offensive they can'tbe erased but then some women find dragqueens highly offensive the poor men in dresses can't win

Baffling isn’t it - you can self ID, but only if you self ID in the approved way.

See also Caitlyn Jenner not speaking for transwomen - maybe she does, maybe she doesn’t, but how can anyone speak for a group that can’t be defined?

I guess David Williams and Matt Lucas are trans too, then?

Did I say the wrong term should I have said Transgender?

MrsJayy

Yes. The term transvestite has just disappeared entirely

Ru'Paul was asked about transgenderism recently and said 'Why ask me? Ru'Paul is a character I put on as my job'.

I think that there are many drag queens who are happy to be defined as such.

I know Eddie Izzard used to be quite happy saying he was transvestite now he says he is transgender it really is too much for my brain to compute .

I think people are discovering in retrospect that the transgender umbrella is an example of predatory forced teaming.