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Fucking hell, has anyone looked at the F Word website lately?

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GorgonLondon · 08/05/2018 20:17

They have really drunk the Kool Aid, and then some.

It's an apparently feminist website (I loved it back in the day) that is now predominantly concerned with bigging up Paris Lees etc.

Have a read of their policy on 'transphobia'
www.thefword.org.uk/about/the_f-word_bloggers_position_o/

I'm so glad that I have all of you, vipers!

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LaSqrrl · 08/05/2018 22:25

Oh it's been that way for YEARS, probably nearly a decade.
One of the sites I was talking about, when you capitulate to the TRAs.

Greymisty · 08/05/2018 23:04

Been ages since I caught up with the fword. Actually has an okay review of a play...uses the word female and everything.

The definition of transphobia I thought was quite good and then its kool aid all the way!

AngryAttackKittens · 08/05/2018 23:08

This isn't new, they dove headfirst into the kool-aid years ago and haven't been worth reading since.

thebewilderness · 09/05/2018 00:02

Women walked away from most of the sites that had claimed to be feminist when the transgender advocates demanded they state their trans policy. If the site stated they were trans friendly the transgender advocates policed the women on the site relentlessly. The feminists exited.
Looking through the archives it becomes obvious.

LaSqrrl · 09/05/2018 00:48

Looking through the archives it becomes obvious.

You remember back when it was happening thebewilderness? I do, although I did not comment there much, it was not worth it anyway, with so many deleted posts. Kinda a little of what is going on here, don't you think? That's why I drew a parallel in one of the other threads.

thebewilderness · 09/05/2018 00:55

Same thing happened at Feministe and Manboobz. Huge kerfluffle and women left. Though Feministe was already in trouble for supporting Hugo Schwyzer.
Same general time frame as Tigtog coining the term and ordering the Transgender Exclusive Radical Feminists off Hoyden About Town.

We were shocked to discover that Feminism now excluded women who refused to prioritize men. Bit of a shock.

thebewilderness · 09/05/2018 00:59

Mind you, once the Radical Feminists were driven away the transgender advocates moved on to the next self styled Feminist blog to repeat the performance. The blogs never recovered.

LaSqrrl · 09/05/2018 01:00

supporting Hugo Schwyzer

LOL, but he didn't mean it (the attempted femicide) or anything. Really Nice Guy. Just ask him!

There were loads of other sites too, but I really cannot recall all the names (a bit too libfem for my liking, always going on about "look, look, I found a unicorn! Isn't he nice and shiny?!")

Which site had Josh Twitt?

LaSqrrl · 09/05/2018 01:02

The blogs never recovered.

Absolutely. What were once vibrant, active sites, with a bit a good feminism slipping in, became ghost towns with tumbleweeds.

AngryAttackKittens · 09/05/2018 01:04

Hey, don't forget the pleas for donations! Those always liven up a comments section.

ThisIsTheFirstStep · 09/05/2018 01:07

I used to love feministing but I had to stop reading it when it seemed like 90% of the content was about trans stuff.

Whatever my opinion of it is, I’m just not that interested. I’m more interested in reading about working class women or women with disabilities and how the patriarchy affects them, but all those sites just seem to be about trans and middle class women with careers.

AngryAttackKittens · 09/05/2018 01:09

Yeah, I was bored long before I was actively opposed.

thebewilderness · 09/05/2018 01:22

I am old! I was involved in the first knock down drag out blog war over Amanda Marcotte's racism and plagiarism.

LaSqrrl · 09/05/2018 01:28

Of course, after the takeover, there is that honeymoon period whereby they sit around and pat themselves on the back for "inclusiveness well done!" - for about 12-18 months. Then even the die-hard inclusionists get a bit weary.

I would have loved to see their stats before and after. I am thinking a rather dramatic downturn.

AngryAttackKittens · 09/05/2018 01:38

The one blog I've seen the before and after stats on the after stats are pitiful.

LaSqrrl · 09/05/2018 04:08

I guess some of their thinking, as the stats do a temporary rise due to 'controversy', the owners guess that by including the T, they have just increased their reader base. Probably a rude shock at the stats after the honeymoon period after the takeover finishes.

ISaySteadyOn · 09/05/2018 07:03

I used to read Feministe. And I agree. Now I just read Feminist Current and this board.

ThisIsTheFirstStep, I am dyspraxic which affects every part of my life and has often made me feel lesser than other women even in feminist discussions. Will go start a thread about that once the DC off to school.

OfSpartacus · 09/05/2018 07:05

Ooh I remember this but I didn't really understand the context enough. Just that everything became about calling people out and making them flagellate themselves for days for saying things that could be construed, at worst, as a little thoughtless. This was not just around trans issues but WOC issues and other intersections as well although the calling out was just as often being done by woke people who wanted to score points as it was by people from those communities.

The FWord and Feministe used to be great sites with lots of comments. Now there is nothing. I wondered what happened to the woman who used to run Feministe. I know she went off to be a lawyer but I wonder if she actually peaked before she ran away.

AngryAttackKittens · 09/05/2018 07:10

You mean Jill? She writes for the Guardian occasionally.

I'd have been so pissed off it that happened to my blog, stupid arguments about everything and a minority of obnoxious commenters going after everyone else like bloodhounds, and then tumbleweeds.

flowermug2 · 09/05/2018 07:12

Their definition of transphobia was crap. No feminist has an aversion or phobia of people who don't abide by societal gender norms wtf. That's not what the problem is, is it!?

AngryAttackKittens · 09/05/2018 07:15

I like people who blatantly thumb their nose at gender norms, I just also like them to be sufficiently on speaking terms with reality not to believe that their penis is female, and respectful enough of other people's boundaries not to insist on their right to insert said penis into women's spaces/beds/bodies against our wills.

CoteDAzur · 09/05/2018 07:46

"when the transgender advocates demanded they state their trans policy"

They tried that on MN, too, back in 2014.

As you can see in FloraFox's post of 30/06/2014 20:04 (at the beginning of the thread, right above mine), F Word's thoughts on this subject we're exactly the same back then, too.

LaSqrrl · 09/05/2018 08:11

Not really sure what point you are making about 2014 there Cote, what we are saying about the F-word pre-dates that by quite a number of years. At a guess, it was somewhere between 2007-2009. Perhaps thebewilderness would remember?

LaSqrrl · 09/05/2018 08:15

Actually, I will go with around 2009. I found the blogger author's list, recognised a name.

JoanSummers · 09/05/2018 08:16

The introduction of Helen G ended the feminism at the f word. It always leaned lib fem but radicals were welcome before that. I didn't like Feministe, Feministing or Pandagon ever tbh, but I did like reading I Blame The Patriarchy and was gutted when Twisty embraced trans activism at the expense of the incredible commenters she had there. The many smaller radical feminist blogs provided much more interesting and female centred commentary, tumblr isnt a good replacement because its social media setup encourages trolling and spats and the platform tolerates grooming and images of child abuse.