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Can we talk about the equity/equality meme that is doing the rounds please?

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Offred · 03/05/2018 21:41

This one.

So, equality does not speak to treatment in politics and law. It is about value status. Equity is about fairness.

Much of feminism has been fighting for fairness but this has been predicated on the (radical I know) notion that men and women are equal (in value) and therefore should have equal in status in society.

What it has never been about is saying that men and women have the same needs.

What is equitable is decided with reference to value. In a modern democracy this is done via consensus and evidence (may be entirely subjective, is vulnerable to domination by powerful group).

Women have largely suffered throughout history IMO because what was equitable was decided based on women being seen as of lesser value. This is why seeing women as of equal value and women having equal status is important - largely as a foundation for deciding what is equitable.

The pictures do not articulate the difference between equality and equity to me. Rather they show; sharing things out equally and (different to equality and does not indicate those three people have equal value or status in society, rather that sharing things out equally without regard to need perpetuates inequality of opportunity), and equitable treatment based on seeing each person as of equal value and therefore providing according to need.

The left hand picture in fact represents what a significant number of people think of as a fair distribution of resources (the therefore equitable).

We need a statement of equality of value for different groups in order for judgements of what is fair to be made with regard to differing needs IMO.

Can we talk about the equity/equality meme that is doing the rounds please?
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UpstartCrow · 03/05/2018 21:49

Part of the problem is the current crop of MRA's labour the false point that 'equality = identical treatment''. However we rework the explanation, its likely to be misrepresented in the same way. So we have to think ahead.

Offred · 03/05/2018 22:06

I only saw it (the pic) for the first time today and have been getting annoyed about it since. It’s quite dog whistley....

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Cascade220 · 03/05/2018 22:09

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Mrstumbletap · 03/05/2018 22:11

I have never seen the second one, I like that.

UpstartCrow · 03/05/2018 22:12

The second version makes more sense.

Offred · 03/05/2018 22:26

Yesssss the second image Grin

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changeypants · 03/05/2018 22:51

The second one is brilliant!

Ironically, it illustrates why I was a Labour voter and member until very recently.

hazeyjane · 03/05/2018 22:58

Interesting, I have only ever seen these illustrations in relation to disability.I have used the first one to illustrate inclusion and why a child with a disability may need a reasonable adjustment (and something that the other person doesn't have) in order to access the same thing as everyone else.

Offred · 03/05/2018 23:29

I’ve seen the one I posted twice today on here.

Had not seen the second one until posted on this thread.

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Bourdic · 03/05/2018 23:46

I love the third picture in the second one - the removal of systemic barriers. Last year in Denmark I used the local train which had an automatic ramp/step thing that came out and bridged the gap between the train and the platform - automatically, every door.No need to book special assistance, ask for help - complete independence - removal of the barrier ie the awful gap that is my lot at Waterloo

thebewilderness · 04/05/2018 06:23

"The law, in its majestic equality, forbids the rich as well as the poor to sleep under bridges, to beg in the streets, and to steal bread." Anatole France pseudonym for Jacques Anatole Thibault (1844-1924)

fascinated · 04/05/2018 11:50

Never mind equal rights

What we need is to be equally respected

So much is day to day behaviour. Not “legal rights” as such.

MrPan · 04/05/2018 12:08

The second one from SA is the one that better illustrated the comparisons, imho
A lot of people seem to think that "equality means treating everyone the same" when it actually involves treating everyone differently, according to their need. The third frame is obv the utopia, so we are largely operating in frame two.

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