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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

I just came out...and I am worried

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mumwhatnothing · 03/05/2018 12:33

I just posted an excellent article from Fair play for women to my Facebook page. This is the first time I have posted anything that may show me as gender critical and I am worried how my step mum and step sisters will react. I doubt anyone else I care about will have much to say but they are quite outspoken women (hurrah)

One sister is gay and the other is fiercely protective of anything slightly critical to gay sis or anything that may even upset her. Step mum has a long history of fighting for womens rights, gay rights and for equality for all. So they may see my article as an attack on transgender people when in reality it is explaining the self ID shit storm.

When I disagree with any of them I end up on the outside and frozen out of the family for a time because my beliefs are evil. I once made a poor joke about marriage equality and was not spoken to by protective sis for 2 years Confused

I want to be able to stand my ground on this issue and not sound like a complete arse hat and then crawl back under my lurking rock and never speak about it again. Any advice beyond “woman up”??

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UpstartCrow · 03/05/2018 12:35

Gender critical women support gay women, so I'm not sure why anything form that website could be seen as homophobic.

It is homophobic to insist lesbians 'get over themselves' and accept a penis as female.

reallyanotherone · 03/05/2018 12:39

I’d point out that self ID means your gay sister will be a transphobic bigot if she refuses to have sex with a trans woman with a penis.

Then go from there. Being gender critical is standing up for gay women’s rights to choose who they have sex with.

mumwhatnothing · 03/05/2018 12:42

I think anything that comes from me that goes against the grain of whatever right on credentials my steps support means I must be in the wrong. I don’t know if they will even read past the headline TBH

Worrying about nothing?

I care about what they think of me because even though they are steps, they are my sisters and mum. They just don’t always get where I am coming from.

I really want more people like them, who care and fight for womens rights, to see this issue for what it is.

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Wanderabout · 03/05/2018 12:45

Many gender critical women are gay. FPFW has a great piece on the impact self-Id would have on same legal protections for anyone same sex attracted.

You could share an article from transwomen such as Kristina Harrison or Debbie Hayton about the subject.

mumwhatnothing · 03/05/2018 13:09

I have now followed Kristina Harrison and Debbie Hayton on Twitter.

I am learning so much but have lurked so long I have no confidence in my idea defending skill

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SuitedandBooted · 03/05/2018 13:23

Alex self-ID's as a lesbian. What would she think of that? Personally, I don't care at all what people wear, or how they present. I DO care when they try to redefine reality.

www.buzzfeed.com/patrickstrudwick/this-transgender-woman-has-a-full-beard-and-she-couldnt-be-h?utm_term=.duAd78meQ#.kalpvZ3EA

SarahAr · 03/05/2018 14:18

I’d point out that self ID means your gay sister will be a transphobic bigot if she refuses to have sex with a trans woman with a penis.

There seems to be a complete logic failure here.

Self ID is about simplifying the process for trans people to obtain a GRC under the GRA. That is all it is. It is a boring legal thing - only of interest to lawyers - however the right wing media have whipped up a huge amount of fear and panic.

If a gay women refuses to have sex with a transwomen with a penis (or anyone else for that matter) then that is just a woman asserting her sexual autonomy. Not transphobic or being a bigot.

SpareRibFem · 03/05/2018 14:24

SarahAr go look on twitter, there are so so many trans activists abusing lesbian women for not wanting to have sex with transwomen with penis. I've also seen some insisting everyone's is bi so it's transphobic for anyone to refuse to have sex with them 😳 The similarities with incels is horrifying

DJLippy · 03/05/2018 15:00

You can show them Youtube video's from 'Magdalen Berns' (GC lesbian) and also Rose of Dawn (GC transsexual)

They can help you show that this is not an anti-LGBT stance but about the gender recognition act. Here are some good videos but everything they do is really good.

This is about the difference between transexuals with gender dysphoria and the rest of the trans community.

Sex Vs Gender

MumOfThrMoos · 03/05/2018 15:01

It's not a boring legal thing.

Self ID allows a one to identify as any sex they like. No questions asks and no need (in fact it would be illegal) to ask for proof. It is not possible tell the difference until too late whether a biological male is a threat or not, unfortunately.

Not being able to challenge a male bodied person in these situations has a profound affect on the rights of women and girls to maintain safe female only spaces.

Amalfimamma · 03/05/2018 15:06

If a gay women refuses to have sex with a transwomen with a penis (or anyone else for that matter) then that is just a woman asserting her sexual autonomy. Not transphobic or being a bigot.
You're being logical here. It has been said and repeated that any lesbian who refuses to have sex with a transgender is transphobic and that lesbians have penises.

Amalfimamma · 03/05/2018 15:08

@mumwhatnothing 99% of my gender critical friends on fb and Twitter are lesbian. When transgender rights erode not only women's right but especially lesbian rights then ppl, especially lesbians, have to sit themselves down and look at what is really happening

DJLippy · 03/05/2018 15:16

Magdalen Berns is really good at talking about the threats to lesbians. Obviously if you start lecturing her about this she's probably not going to listen. It's hard to articulate your words - I've really struggled so if I'm struggling to get my point across I show them a video because they know a lot more than me and speak so eloquently.

Amalfimamma · 03/05/2018 15:21

@sarahAr have a look at this video and then see the backlash the lesbian got for expressing her sexual preferences.

SuitedandBooted · 03/05/2018 16:19

Self ID is about simplifying the process for trans people to obtain a GRC under the GRA. That is all it is. It is a boring legal thing - only of interest to lawyers

That is utterly disingenuous nonsense. Self ID will allow men to legally become women, just because they (supposedly) "feel" female.

UpstartCrow · 03/05/2018 16:25

@SarahAr then why was Mitchfest targeted by trans activists?

LaSqrrl · 03/05/2018 19:41

SarahAr: If a gay women refuses to have sex with a transwomen with a penis (or anyone else for that matter) then that is just a woman asserting her sexual autonomy. Not transphobic or being a bigot.

Rather disingenuous. Look up what the Cotton Ceiling is all about. Or what that Riley Dennis says. And all the tweets by males that state they have 'transitioned' and 'become lesbians' and actual lesbians should now have sex with their 'lesbian penis'. And of course, if lesbians don't want to, they are 'transphobic bigots'.

It's all out there if you look.

SandyDrawsBadly · 03/05/2018 19:48

I discovered that when I started sharing gender critical stuff, the majority of people agreed with what I was posting. The lack of knowledge in the general population of what is happening re: redefining what “woman” means is astonishing, though more are becoming aware.

I peaked due to a series of personal experiences that taught me that some TRAs are not about trans rights, but about asserting their dominance over females. The stuff I share concentrates on that and the abuse of lesbians and the cotton ceiling in particular shocks most people who thought that trans was an ally of LGB not a group that would like sexual preference to be changed to gender preference, undoing years of gay rights and women’s rights at the same time.

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