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What Makes a Woman? Documentary with @MunroeBergdorf, Wednesday 16 May at 10pm

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Kyanite · 03/05/2018 06:17

What Makes a Woman? A documentary with @MunroeBergdorf, Wednesday 16 May at 10pm

twitter.com/C4Press/status/991715309492015104

Finally the answer to this age old question.

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TerfinUSA · 03/05/2018 06:32

Is the answer £50k worth of plastic surgery and a lifetime of medication?

Kyanite · 03/05/2018 06:40

Is the answer £50k worth of plastic surgery and a lifetime of medication?

If it is, I've been doing this woman thing all wrong!

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TerfinUSA · 03/05/2018 06:42

I think that might turn out to be Munroe's argument, Kyanite.

pombal · 03/05/2018 06:44

Is it tits and fanjo?
I’m glad MB is here to give us the answer.

Kyanite · 03/05/2018 06:47

Well, some say that transitioning into a woman makes you more of a woman than those who haven't transitioned, so it would make sense that I had it all wrong.

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Jeanhatchet · 03/05/2018 06:47

Probs should ask those who have been women the longest. As in women who have experienced the oppression of their bodies because they are female from birth. Out of respect it ought to be another biological female asking this question. Generally programmes have an expert. Those relatively new to a field know better than to push themselves forward. The TV networks generally would seek an expert who was suitable qualified. But not in this case.

If a show was about farming and called "What makes a farmer?" - you'd hardly expect to see a man from Notting Hill with a box of eggs in his fridge holding forth on it would you?

Same.

TerfinUSA · 03/05/2018 06:49

Clearly the whole concept of, e.g., facial feminization www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-5363005/Munroe-Bergdorf-reveals-results-facial-feminisation.html is problematic because it implies that femininity is based on appearance, rather than biology. This is very offensive to those women who don't match these standards, and may never meet them.

These women:

are subject to domestic violence because of their female biology, not because of some arbitrary standard of appearance based on surgery.

ReluctantCamper · 03/05/2018 06:56

it's being born with the reproductive biology that produces relatively large, immobile gametes and the capability to gestate young.

everything else is your appearance and personality.

there you go munroe, save you a job there.

nest?

ReluctantCamper · 03/05/2018 06:56

*saved
*next

jesus

ThisisSparta · 03/05/2018 07:30

Anyone holding out hope that whilst making this documentary MB would realise how sexist and damaging gender stereotypes are?

And how the root cause of women’s oppression is biology?

AsAProfessionalFekko · 03/05/2018 07:33

Surely it should be 'what makes you think you are a woman'? How can you know for sure?

AllyMcBeagle · 03/05/2018 07:59

Anyone holding out hope that whilst making this documentary MB would realise how sexist and damaging gender stereotypes are?

Yes. I think Munroe 'Women talking about their reproductive organs is transphobic' Bergdorff could inadvertently make a few more people question the TRA movement with this. I live in hope.

UnnecessaryFennel · 03/05/2018 08:28

If a show was about farming and called "What makes a farmer?" - you'd hardly expect to see a man from Notting Hill with a box of eggs in his fridge holding forth on it would you?

^ this.

AsAProfessionalFekko · 03/05/2018 08:30

I probably would! Everyone is an expert these days (although there are a lot of very rich landowners farmers in da Hill these days).

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