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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

It's always a woman's fault

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Treesybreezy · 30/04/2018 16:58

I am interested in true crime, so the capture of a (really good, apparently a DNA match)suspect EAR/ONS horrific sex assaults and murders caught my attention. But within a day headlines were screaming about an ex who allegedly fuelled his crimes. Anyone trying to refute this gets Ted Bundy chucked in their face (he liked women of a certain physical type, so his fiancée and his victims looked similar).

Why are we so obsessed about trying to find a woman to blame for a man's antisocial acts? I could rant about how it doesn't matter what action we take towards an abusive man, anything he does next gets blamed on the woman but I would start frothing because it makes me so angry. I don't even want to add in the 'not all men' because the men who don't commit acts of overt violence seem happy to latch on to any reason to excuse the acts of violent men. It's our whole society and it's sick.

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thebewilderness · 01/05/2018 01:40

Most of the men who own, operate, write for, and read, the corporate media, relate to the perps not the victims. Their first though is for what would cause them to do such a thing, rather than how can we stop this from happening to me and mine.

pallisers · 01/05/2018 01:49

Speaking as a fellow female, women are also capable of horrible crimes

Well yes - although take a look at the actual statistics around "horrible crimes".

But we aren't discussing that. We are discussing why news outlets feel the need to blame women for men's crimes. If you can come up with a few examples of women doing bad things being blamed on men in the media, I'd love if you shared.

Otherwise why on earth does it matter in a discussion on men's crimes being blamed on women that women commit crimes too? yeah right but what relevance does it have?

MrsTerryPratchett · 01/05/2018 03:35

Having worked with young female offenders, I can tell you that 'cherchez l'homme' would be vastly more accurate, seeing as they all had abusive/drug dealer/massively older/pimp boyfriends. But oddly, their offending was their fault...

Smeddum · 01/05/2018 05:52

@Whyarealltheusernamestaken look at the language used to refer to women who have been murdered by men. And then look at the language used to refer to men murdered by women (you may have to look a little harder for those articles, because they’re not as easy to find. Equality apparently didn’t get through to the murdering bastards) and look at the language used.

It’s not the same, equality hasn’t been achieved and you have completely missed the point.

AuntieStella · 01/05/2018 06:34

"Treating all men like NAMALT = asking for it"

No it isn't.

Not in RL, whatever the tabloids say. It's simply expecting people to be reasonably fair, normal and honest, which the vast majority are. There are, of course, enough criminals and con artists, or just plain CFs out there that people need to exercise reasonable judgement, as part of being a normal, fair, responsible adult. It does not mean that they overlook the truth, which is that NAMALT, NAWALT, NAPALT, and reminders, when you are talking about outliers can be important.

Nousernameforme · 01/05/2018 06:35

I saw the daily mail headline on Twitter yesterday. It was beyond ridiculous. I pointed it out to DP and his first remark was the woman that tweeted it had said he killed women and not that he killed couples ffs.
It just showed me how ingrained it is.

His first point about that disgusting headline was to zero in on a woman and say yeah sure but she's wrong. Like that's somehow worse.

Then it was yeah but it's the mail what do you expect. It's not "The Mail" it's a national fucking newspaper in 2018 and I expect not to have to put up with this male centric bullshit.

I am so so sick of men and they can fuck off with the NAMALT at this point. I have son's. I am trying to grow them into considerate men but I am fighting against society at this point and am losing with the eldest.

There is something to be said for women only communes

Jux · 04/05/2018 01:53

Oh! I've just realised something awful about myself.

DD was being harrassed by her ex, badly enough that she eventually reported the harrassment (and abuse by then) to the police. I kept thinking "what the hell is his mum saying to him about all this? Why isn't she telling him to stop?". He lived with his mum, so there I am immediately assuming that she could just tell him to stop and so he would.

I am ashamed.

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