Today's Sunday Times

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Hopefully, this link works.

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/barbara-became-ben-and-suddenly-brilliant-s5027jcdt?shareToken=96bdb12ad22eb40cc3019cc3e238bc88

The gist is that MTF trans suffer the kind of discriminatory behaviour experienced by women. And FTM find their ideas and views are often taken much more seriously, once they have made the change.

This is specifically in academia, in the USA. Looks like there will be a radio prog about it.

I found it interesting that they were so surprised at how ingrained the prejudice for / against women seems to be. And how this is reflected in the current debate. S many MTF TAs seem angry that they are not "centred" or paid careful attention when, in fact, this is often the experience of women as a sex.

"The Inquiry will be broadcast on the BBC World Service on Thursday, and will be available on BBC iPlayer Radio and as a podcast"

Thursday 3rd May presumably. Will be listening with great interest.

That article about made me weep with anger. It's so true about women and their experiences in academia. Yet when natal women make the same claims they are dismissed as exaggerating or as delusional or man-haters.

Sexism is only real once a male confirms it.

I've read something about this before. It's obviously not surprising to any of us, but I think the fact that it is being said by people who have experience of both being treated as male and treated as female makes it pretty irrefutable. It's impossible to dismiss it as just women being whiny. .

No Shit Serlock

Sorry that wasn't meant to be at anyone on here

This just goes to show that transpeople can be allies to gender critical women

Similar perspective was discussed in the TedTalk here (recommended on another thread):

Anybody who has bothered to listen to feminists over the last five decades would know this. But hey a man said it so it deserves an entire programme.

But hey a man said it so it deserves an entire programme.

Reminded me of this story from last year which became much talked about:
"A man realised women are treated differently in the workplace after he accidentally signed off on emails using his female co-worker's signature"
www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/gender-inequality-man-woman-switch-names-week-martin-schneider-nicky-knacks-pay-gap-a7622201.html

I'm sure I've read the same piece on the Daily Mash website

I remember noticing this 14 years ago. I signed up to Guardian political talk and soon realised that when people thought I was male, they treated me with more respect. They could be insulting, but they were more likely to attack my ideas rather than me. When they thought I was female, the femaleness automatically devalued the ideas. So I chose to let them think I was male.

I know women who are 'men' on twitter. Also can often spot when it's a woman with a male name and avatar.

Which of bewildernesses rules is this again? Any problem that women have is worse when it affects men.

12th rule of misogyny: whatever women suffer from, men suffer from more

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*I remember noticing this 14 years ago. I signed up to Guardian political talk and soon realised that when people thought I was male, they treated me with more respect. They could be insulting, but they were more likely to attack my ideas rather than me. When they thought I was female, the femaleness automatically devalued the ideas. So I chose to let them think I was male."

When I signed up for the Guardian roughly ten years ago, I deliberately chose a male username, because I'd seen so much shit flung at other posters, simply because they had names that appeared to be female, or they revealed themselves to be women.

All a moot point at the moment; currently boycotting the Guardian because of the paper's utter pusillanimity.

can anyone direct me to a definitive list of the rules of misogyny?