Quote/article about women seeing themselves through the male gaze - can anyone remember this?

[StormyDaniels]

I feel like I've read an article or thread on here about this - does it ring any bells for anyone?

I don’t know but we had a copy of the book-of-the-tv-series Ways of Seeing from which the phrase “male gaze” comes. Can’t recommend it highly enough. John Berger.

Here is a nice obituary/tribute.

Honestly, after reading the book I suddenly understood so much. Why it mattered that Debbie Harry looked right back at you. All that stuff.

www.dazeddigital.com/artsandculture/article/34166/1/why-we-still-need-ways-of-seeing-john-berger

There was a Twitter thing about describing yourself as if a male author was describing you. Does that sound right? I'll rummage for the Twitter thread/hashtag or a related article if you would prefer.

Link to original tweet

I didn't go far enough back.

Describe yourself as a male author would.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3212652-Twitter-thread-that-will-make-you-laugh-not-rage

It was the John Berger quote, thank you thanks

That Twitter thread is brilliant!

What a brilliant, thought provoking thread - thanks to everyone who has posted all the links.

Do get / read the book if you haven’t. It’s excellent, and will literally change the way you look at the world.

I find this very moving and wish I’d known of it at 13.

“Naturally, the way female bodies were presented culturally as objects to be looked at had an effect on women, on the way they came to see themselves – as a sight, a vision.............. living life one step removed, living as your own spectator. You are never yourself, you are yourself as you appear to others. To men, yes, and to the women with whom you are supposed to compete for their attention.”

Berger’s Words are:
“A woman is always accompanied, except when quite alone, and perhaps even then, by her own image of herself. While she is walking across a room or weeping at the death of her father, she cannot avoid envisioning herself walking or weeping. From earliest childhood she is taught and persuaded to survey herself continually. She has to survey everything she is and everything she does, because how she appears to others – and particularly how she appears to men – is of crucial importance for what is normally thought of as the success of her life.”

www.amazon.co.uk/Ways-Seeing-Penguin-Modern-Classics/dp/014103579X/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&keywords=ways+of+seeing+john+berger&tag=mumsnetforum-21&ie=UTF8&qid=1524990346&sr=1-1