Now ‘Biological Women Will Never Win a Marathon – Ever

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Ben Shapiro on the news that transgender males can compete as women without taking any steps to reduce testosterone, take hormones or surgery. It's amusing and shocking

The video is worth listening to, espcially the part where the Boston Marathon people claim that there are no physiological differences between females and transwomen #peakstupid

www.cnsnews.com/blog/michael-morris/ben-shapiro-boston-marathon-trans-policy-now-biological-women-will-never-win

Ugh, I thought my 11.53 post hadn't posted... Sorry for the repetition!

I don't care any more. Progressives are not in government here or in the US. As shocking as most liberals find it, statistically hardly anyone reads eg the Guardian while vast numbers take the Daily Mail.

I can't persuade liberals that I'm right, if they think 'well Katie Hopkins agrees with you so you must be wrong'. So our best approach is to wake the sleeping beast of the wider UK population, almost all of whom can tell the difference between men and women.

And there will be casualties. Women will lose out in sporting events. But this is necessary, because ordinary people will see the reality and won't accept that feelings override facts.

All this entire circus needs is exposure to daylight to come crumbling down. And it will.

This is infuriating, I agree. I do think though that if and when a natal male wins a major women's sporting title, people will sit up and take notice. So many people aren't particularly engaged with this topic but would be horrified if they actually knew about it.
This whole thing is so frustrating. I've always had such admiration for the majority of the trans community, but this aggressive silencing of women we're seeing lately is disturbing in the extreme.

And yes, men will save us. So what, who cares. Nobody gives a shit for what we say so we need men to step up and be listened to. Their opinion counts for so much more than ours does, this isn't remotely surprising.

@R0wantrees The reason why the thread linked says '2nd version' was because the first was deleted following successful complaints that the opening post was goady.
It's worthwhile noting the date as this was prior to MN publically taking their stand.
The original was a long thread and @shotsfired has a copy.

Thanks R0wan. I think the second thread actually ended up longer than the first one, and most people were able to repost their comments there, along with more who hadn't seen the first. So thanks to whoever reported it!

(I only had to amend about 3 words from the first thread, so it wasn't really a big deal)

Thanks for clarifying Shotsfired

Ben Shapiro does agree with the feminist position on this: that male and female are biological realities and not identities.

This issue led me to Ben Shapiro and I've now listened to lots of his podcasts. I disagree with him politically on most things: he's a small government libertarian of a type we don't really have in the UK (his views on guns made me WTF!!) But he's rational, believes in free speech and debate. I like him, even though I disagree with him mostly.

He is not racist. his views on health care sound extreme to a UK audience, but many in the usa think the NHS is extreme scary socialism.

Tribalism, refusal to listen to views you disagree with, and the need to apply denegrating labels to people whose views you don't like, is the reason we are where we are politically and on the trans issue.

If you don't see that then the penny really hasn't dropped.

Btw any feminist should be upset about that girl without the bra. It was a dark grey long sleeved crew necked t shirt she was wearing not in any way sheer. The girl was not wearing bra due to a bad sunburn. She was brought on violation for distracting boys and made to jump up and down in front of a male teacher. I'm not lib fem but that outrage was completely legitimate. The whole thing was completely pervy on the side of the school and they even admitted that it was handled badly.

I just thought the facts should be straight on that one.

Thanks Madcap, that puts a different slant on it and not the way it was communicated.

Tribalism can be used as an attempt to cause divides between people, and stop us communicating with each other.

I don't like Ben Shapiro but I'm sort of glad he exists.

@madcap US companies and schools often mandate bras, which is ridiculous: they can trigger migraines, cause shoulder and back pain, and if you have sunburn, shingles in the shoulder, or breast cysts, they make the pain worse.

What does it matter whose shares our views. Surely my reference point can be the world I want for my daughter. And that includes her feeling motivated to compete in sports events, believing that with talent and training she might win.

Decisions like this matter to all women: rich, poor, black, white, right-wing, left-wing. So great if women speak out, and great too if men do as well. By labelling people so we can dismiss them and their arguments, we run the risk the same happening to ourselves.

Thanks for this.
I just posted this to facebook. I feel a bit nervous but the PP who said we need to stop trying to get fellow liberal lefties to take notice, and try and awaken the general population, really hit home.

I don't have to agree totally with all of Shapiro's views to acknowledge common ground - otherwise it becomes about identity politics again.

I like his previous comment about “Why are we mainstreaming delusion?” - why are we? Invalidating someone who has the media profile that women don't plays right into the hands of those who want to close dissent to transgender down

@R0wantrees quoted the bit from the podcast that jumped out at me -It's a good question - why are doctors colluding? The only answer that makes sense is their vested interest of income is interfering with their judgement.

She was brought on violation for distracting boys and made to jump up and down in front of a male teacher

Those poor boys

I was watching rip off Britain this morning and a bloke was complaining about a cheese festival whose only presentation was for dairy free mozzarella.
Bloke says, "that's not actually cheese. Cheese is made with milk."
Event organiser response is that they are "inclusive of all cheeses and that it is narrowminded not see it as real cheese"

to be honest CoCo all this just reveals the slumbering dragon that exists coiled around the heart of left wing progressive politics: namely the will, wish and desire to expunge, excommunicate and eradicate all wrong-think, and eventually those who express those ideas.

For the record the right does have the same problem, in that once that it achieves cultural supremacy again (and it will unfortunately!), they will start to seek to suppress thought all over the place as well. It's part of the axiom power corrupts. Why bother making your case in the field of ideas and debate?

Two of my must watch politicians in the UK are Jacob Rees-Mog and Jess Phillips, as outside of politics they are apparently good friends. If you can't recognise the essential humanity of your ideological opponents then you are part of the problem.

There have always been just as many misogynists on the left as the right and if the only people we can listen to are people who are right all the time about everything we can't trust anyone and no one will listen to us either,

There have always been just as many misogynists on the left as the right and if the only people we can listen to are people who are right all the time about everything we can't trust anyone and no one will listen to us either

Absolutely.

Tribalism is killing our ability to consider ideas properly and take arguments on their merit.

Yes, I agree with this.

Ben Shapiro is very right wing - and no friend of feminism. Therefore, when they start actually sticking up for women like this, (or rather, just stating the bleeding obvious, and making a sensible argument) you know there is something seriously wrong.

I've always found right wing politics pretty horrible - but right now I'm finding the left wing even worse - authoritarian, misogynistic, anti-semitic.

I'm politically homeless - I'm dispensing with political tribalism.