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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

"Cis allies" being asked to provide "protection"

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OlennasWimple · 22/04/2018 01:33

Can we talk about something that seems to be happening a lot at the moment: "cis allies" (note the " " ) are being asked to, in essence, prove their ally credentials but also take the risk and do the hard work apparently in order to protect transwomen (in particular) and transmen from attacks by terfs.

Just in the last week or so, there has been the video of the protestors on the stairs at the Jam Jar venue, which Bristol Sisters has claimed are "cis allies". There was a call out for "cis allies" to escort trans people home at night because they were scared that the terfs were in town and thus trans people were at risk of violent attack. The Free the She Wolf campaign explicitly asked for "cis allies" to attend the protest outside court in order to provide a human shield to protect the trans protesters who were going to be there.

And it's not just in person that "cis allies" are expected to get involved. When I posted the NUS slide presentation on "How to deal with terfs", one of the authors tweeted something along the lines of "Urgh, can a cis ally sort this out", and lo and behold a few new posters popped onto the thread to object to it, and of course MsIntern tweeted that she would get some of her MNHQ pals to take it down. (The slides also contain the suggestion that delegates "put yourself in between trans people and the TERFS")

What is going on here? How is the narrative growing that trans people are a) at significant risk of physical harm from terfs whilst also b) being significantly weaker than "cis allies" so they need their protection? Why are so many people apparently so keen to do this - to prove their woke credentials? Because they are hanging onto the coat tails of an exciting new movement and want to remain part of the gang? Why are so many of them women, when surely if you were looking for bouncers and security guards to keep you safe, you would want big burly men? (Pesky biology meaning that they are stronger than terfs)

Is this a new phenomenon? Have straight women always been asked to sacrifice themselves to the cause for no reward? Or is this just the TRA equivalent of making the sandwiches and putting away the chairs at the end of the meeting?

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ALittleBitofVitriol · 18/06/2018 22:21

The argument is moving on
Feel free to move on. Please, start a thread on "equal pay, period poverty, access to child care, FGM etc"
No-one is stopping you.

Diabetes and schizophrenia also have a biological component. Also, I started reading the first study linked from your endocrine society trans health page. First line of the introduction: "Gender identity is a fundamental human attribute that has a profound impact on personal well-being." Hmmm...

FloralBunting · 18/06/2018 23:05

Oo, cliche and stat bingo! 0.6%, inclusive feminism, all the other feminists think you're doing it wrong etc. Are we going to be treated to an appearance of the greater spotted suicide bullshit stat, I wonder?

Oh and proper, proper pmsl (must be the weakened pelvic floor due to female biological issues) at 'trans people and allies never come here, yada yada yada'.

What the fuck are you, chopped liver?

FermatsTheorem · 18/06/2018 23:37

"Feminism has moved on and is focusing back to equal pay, period poverty, access to child care, FGM etc etc"

Could you point this out to Morgane Oger who recently devoted a chunk of twitter time to appalling racist and sexist bullying of a victim of FGM? Also go on twitter and explain period poverty to the transwomen who tweet about how they have very real periods because they occasionally get stomach ache. Oh, and maybe find time to discuss child care as a feminist issue with the troll we had on here earlier who wanted to appropriate women's infertility in their own quest for validity, then more-or-less announced their long term plan to buy a baby so they could become a mother.

Your help with centering women, rather than transactivists, in these issues would be much appreciated. Ta very much.

ErrolTheDragon · 18/06/2018 23:42

Feminism has moved on and is focusing back to equal pay, period poverty, access to child care, FGM etc etc

Feminism never moved away from those things - women are renowned for having to be able to multitask.

NorthernJugni · 19/06/2018 12:01

The thing I wonder is why do people find it easier to believe false claims that feminists violently threaten trans people, than to react to the evidence that trans women are often threatening to punch, rape, kill, chop up and apparently now blow up, feminists?

It's because society hates women and especially hates feminists.

R0wantrees · 24/09/2018 17:50

This thread was started in April but it seems relevent in understanding how many individuals and organisations may be responding to discussions at this time. There has been a consistant call for 'trans allies', this is a key element to Stonewall's training etc.

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