It's hit the press.

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www.theguardian.com/media/2018/apr/19/mumsnet-reports-itself-data-regulator-transgender-rights-row-ip-addresses-posted-twitter

The Guardian missing the point as always

Its neutral, I think it's more professional embarrassment for the lovely Emma though.

Yours faithfully, mumsnet scum.

I see the Guradian left out the 'scum' insult.

For once it's relatively neutral and factual. I think the lovely Emma will re the day she decided to harvest data and post it. I doubt her friends will stand by her now.

It was only the other day I was on a thread discussing reasons for giving up on The Guardian. I'll add this to list.

www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2018/apr/19/why-is-going-to-restaurant-loo-so-tricky-gender-defined-toilets-jay-rayner

Jay Rayner is having a chuckle too.

The problem is that someone reading that, who doesn't know Mumsnet, is likely to take Healey 's words at face value. There's nothing in the article to refute them.

Interesting that the Guardian is the first paper to pick this up. They never report any news related to TRAs unless it is positive. I don't think they reported the assault on MM or TW's conviction. No coverage of the advertisers putting pressure on MNHQ.

And the silly little dig at the end about MNers' 'mental health'. What the fuck is all that about?

Did The Intern write that herself? Fucking offensive.

Mental health is another woke signal.

Thats a nasty, immature comment about peoples mental health.

Women used to have the vapours, requiring laudanum.

Hysterical, requiring vibrators (happy about that one)

Then nervous breakdowns, requring incarceration in sanitariums.

Then they were neurotic, requiring mummy's little helpers

Now we are anxious, and have mental health issues.

same ole same ole

I think the Guardian article is reasonable, actually.

I meant what NotTerf said. If you don't know what happened it gives credence to EH's words and actions. It's not told in the context of the threats to advertisers and the threats to women who want to talk about this stuff.

Sure Sweary but the response to reading about a data breach is to disapprove generally unless you are capitalist conspiracy theorist, no one approves of that stealing data, think about the recent infidelity website, can't remember the name.

So no matter what she pleads in her defence, she sounds like an extremist who has no respect for anyone.

I suppose it will be interesting to see how it's reported in other media outlets, if it is of course.

A spokesperson for Mumsnet said Healey had now promised to delete all other Mumsnet-related material.

This is the concerning part to me, what else was taken and how else has it been shared, she's shown herself to be untrustworthy so we will never know for sure.

I've come to expect such bias from the Guardian that I'm impressed the article didn't use the terms transphobia or anti-trans but it does frame the 'dispute' as being over transgender rights with no mention of women's rights.

Really, she's going to delete it now?

The shit has already hit the fan for her, so what does she have to fear? What's stopping her handing over a data stick to someone else and denying all knowledge?

If it is true that she has other MN related material, MNHQ should not permit her to delete it until they have confirmed what the material is and what she has done with it. She's just destroying what could be evidence of further breaches.

She shouldn’t be allowed to delete it - it’s evidence and needs to be handed to the police.

flora and bumble clearly work in this industry .... right now! I can only imagine how bizarre this must be to you to witness. So do MN not have a governance, risk and compliance strategy in place? Interns with that level of access? Sheesh.

I haven’t worked in IT for a while now (career changed) but even my out of date knowledge has left me cringing over this.

I just get the impression they are getting their IT Security advice from someone’s best friend’s brother, who once worked for Tandy.

I've been using this NN for a long time and I don't want to change it so I try not to post anything that might identify me together with all the other things I've posted on here over the years.

It's not possible to tell what MN's governance, risk and compliance strategies are or whether they are adequate based on what they've told us so far. MN is quite a small company and although they have had previous experience of Jeffrey and other hacks, it's not easy to deal with a new experience (employee misuse) in the heat of an emergency situation.

You can have all the right strategies (I'm not saying MNHQ does) and still not anticipate employee misconduct. Although she was an intern, EH was an intern press officer whose professional responsibility is preserving the reputation of her employer. I don't think the fact she was an intern is, in itself, a problem if she really needed to have access to that information (which it turns out MNHQ decided she didn't need). It sounds like a professional internship rather than your next door neighbour's nephew on a make work project and the press officers I know would see what she has done as a career terminating move.

Your next door neighbour could have access to your bank account details if she works at a bank or can see what porn is watched on your TV pay per view if they work at your TV supplier or see your location at any given point if they have certain roles at your mobile phone provider or at an app which uses your location data. I once called my bank and it turned out I sort of knew the person on the phone who knows lots of people I know (got chatting while the system was lagging). I have to trust he is not going to tell them about my finances and I rely on his professional integrity and his employer's processes and willingness to fire and prosecute him if he does. The important thing is that there are good training programmes, technical and security measures, compliance etc. combined with robust sanctions on employees who breach that trust, including being sacked, reported to the police and any professional bodies and being sued by their employers.

MNHQ need to take these follow up steps just as seriously as reviewing compliance, security, technical measures, training, communications etc. if they want to send a message to future employees and also reassure their users they take value their privacy and will look after their data.

Thank you for that flora, it’s very interesting and the time you and other knowledgable posters have taken over this during the past 2 days is remarkable.