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Peak Guardian - Guardian employs transperson to say 'white feminism is just too racist and misogynistic'

35 replies

TerfinUSA · 19/04/2018 05:59

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/apr/19/as-a-trans-woman-of-colour-my-words-are-met-with-silence

'Comments are pre-moderated', naturally, to ensure those nasty white feminists don't say anything misogynist.

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TerfinUSA · 19/04/2018 06:11

I had a look at @miss_blanks on Twitter twitter.com/miss_blanks and it's full of internalised homophobia.

twitter.com/miss_blanks/status/945129119167029249

"Haha I love making fun of my in the closet uncle who is married to his new wife hahaha I see u sis"

TRA logic: 'misgendering is murder but it's ok to refer to a perceived gay man as "sis" (aside: miss_blanks, per Twitter, has sex with men)

Second aside, miss_blanks seems to be doing quite well as 'face of Levis', etc., and 'goddess', one has to wonder if not presenting as female would attract so much attention.

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TerfinUSA · 19/04/2018 06:16

In the article, miss_blanks calls out Rose McGowan, who was heckled by trans-identified child molester Andi Dier.

The entire basis for the article seems to be that some pervey bloke was removed from a festival line-up for dodgy behaviour, and missblanks seized this to 'call him out' on Instagram, not, apparently, on the basis of any personal experience, but just publicly reported incidents recorded in the media www.abc.net.au/triplej/programs/hack/why-kirin-j-callinan-was-removed-from-the-laneway-lineup/9340800 So another case of metoo appropriation.

"It’s not about any specific action, "

translation: this has fuck all to do with me

"but when we cannot question the intent, or validate the emotions resultant of any man’s actions, it truly shows how much power men have over us. I was chastised, threatened, told I was overreacting; I learned that words leave a trauma of their own."

translation: this had literally nothing to do with me, but I am going to pretend it did.

I mean it's a GOOD thing that this pervey bloke was kicked out, but miss_blanks' focus is only on self-publicity, how this becomes an article about 'trans women of colour' is a complete mystery.

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DamnDeDoubtanceIsSpartacus · 19/04/2018 06:20

The comments, dear god the comments. The guardian is a joke now, an absolute joke.

TerfinUSA · 19/04/2018 06:22

the comments are being ruthlessly censored, I posted a innocuous request for clarification, nope, not let through. the only comments approved are full-on kool-aid drinking nonsense. Presumably they just deleted everything that didn't concur with the (ridiculous) narrative

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Trumpdump · 19/04/2018 06:24

I refuse to click on Guardian links... can you copy paste? Smile

ICJump · 19/04/2018 06:26

That article is bonkers

TerfinUSA · 19/04/2018 06:28

excerpt:

"It’s now been three months since my statement regarding a fellow musicians’ removal from a festival lineup. I spoke out about the licence we give men to act without reprisal, and how it reinforces the behaviours that lead to the stories of #MeToo. It’s not about any specific action, but when we cannot question the intent, or validate the emotions resultant of any man’s actions, it truly shows how much power men have over us. I was chastised, threatened, told I was overreacting; I learned that words leave a trauma of their own.

Since then, I have read more about some incredible activists. One that stuck with me was Tarana Burke (founder of #MeToo movement) "

"When I needed my industry’s support, I was met with “closed door conversations” – people who would be happy to privately support me but publicly sit silent and be complicit. "

"#MeToo stories of cisgender white women have been the most amplified so far. Because of white supremacy, white women are more likely to be believed, "

"When we talk about #MeToo, we must always remember to honour the true origins of the campaign. Like many other social justice movements, it rose from the struggles of black women and was co-opted by white women."

". Some cis white women such as Rose McGowan currently and publicly “leading” this movement have been criticised for making transphobic comments. How are all women including trans women meant to come forward when these views are still held by people, whether openly or as an unconscious bias?"

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TerfinUSA · 19/04/2018 06:32

So basically the precis of the article is that this bloke junkee.com/kirin-j-callinan-dickhead/137317 behaves like a dickhead, and the author complained, and this act of complaining about something that happened when you weren't there or even in the same city is somehow a metoo moment.

There is nothing they can't appropriate.

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hackmum · 19/04/2018 07:20

"Because of white supremacy, white women are more likely to be believed, validated, supported and make worthier victims when disclosing abuse and oppression."

Try telling that to the young woman in the Ulster rugby case.

NotTerfNorCis · 19/04/2018 07:36

It's strange how #Metoo has become so warped it's now associated with criticism of 'privileged' women by men.

merrymouse · 19/04/2018 07:53

I’m happy for men and trans people to comment on any issue, whether that is James Kirkup or Miranda Yardley or anyone else and whether or not I agree with them.

The premise of this article may be fair - some groups are more high profile than others in the Metoo movement. That is probably because the media has focused on high profile actresses and high profile actresses tend to be white.

I don’t think poor white waitresses are getting much attention.

Beyond that I really, really don’t think white supremacists are involved in Metoo...

busyboysmum · 19/04/2018 07:55

Tried to post a really innocuous comment but of course wasn't let through. Censorship by the Guardian. They will not allow people to see any views which disagree with this nonsense.

hackmum · 19/04/2018 07:56

I'm fully on board with the idea that black women, particularly poor black women, have a tougher time of it than white women. But if you're a white woman who's been gang-raped, the fact that you are slightly more likely to be taken seriously than a black woman who's been gang-raped, doesn't make you "privileged". Sorry.

MIdgebabe · 19/04/2018 07:59

I suspect she may be right that white women may be more likely to be believed. I think her 5 ending statements are quite fine. I Think it would be more helpful and constructive to focus on the positives

QuentinSummers · 19/04/2018 08:01

What i found most annoying was Miss Blanks complaining that white women had "coopted" #metoo

I thought #metoo was about sexual harassment. Surely the point was all women should use it?

Other than That, typical intersectional word salad. I have no idea what point she was making. Other than Me, Me, let's talk about meeeeee

TerfinUSA · 19/04/2018 08:08

I suspect she may be right that white women may be more likely to be believed. I think her 5 ending statements are quite fine. I Think it would be more helpful and constructive to focus on the positives

positive? like criticising rose mcgowan for being not the right kind of victim?

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mirialis · 19/04/2018 08:10

Maybe the comments wouldn't go through because of the timing (i.e. not working hours for the mods)? There seem to be critical comments on there now.

merrymouse · 19/04/2018 08:11

I also think it’s fair to say that stories have been ‘amplified’ where women and men who are victims of abuse have spoken about specific instances of abuse and named their abusers.

Somebody talking in general terms about abuse isn’t gong to be the subject of a news story.

BrashCandicoot · 19/04/2018 08:16

I think that had it been an article about the oppression of black women and other woc, it would have been a much needed perspective. An explanation of the relevance of the timing of the release of Janelle’s Pynk video, for example.

But no, the race to see who’s the most oppressed, where TRAs “win”.

NotTerfNorCis · 19/04/2018 08:50

It does seem like race is being co-opted as a weapon by TRAs, including (or especially?) white ones.

hackmum · 19/04/2018 08:54

"It does seem like race is being co-opted as a weapon by TRAs, including (or especially?) white ones."

Yes. They like to pretend that the evil TERFS are all white and middle-class, despite the evidence to the contrary (e.g. Linda Bellos, Lucy Masoud).

Ellenripleysalienbaby · 19/04/2018 09:30

Try telling that to the young woman in the Ulster rugby case.

I thought that exact thing. The whole 'white feminism' thing is just another appropriation in an ever increasingly desperate attempt to shut women up. Yes, I do think there are some issues with intersectionality and that black women's issues sometimes get forgotten.

But that is fuck all to do with these bellends are crowing on about. It's just a weapon to silence us 'oh youre a woman but you are white? Shut up then'.

ALittleBitOfButter · 19/04/2018 10:18

Can't be bothered reading it but it sounds like the black/gay/trans tryptich. One showing solidarity to the other because they're all marginalised and excluded by white women. Or some shit.

Yarnswift · 19/04/2018 10:24

Because if they can whittle the pool down enough the critical volume of voices drops.

So women as a class? Nope too white! Shut up!
Black women? nope, too straight! Shut up!
Lesbians? Nope, won’t take ladydick, shut up!

Non white transwoman who are not feminists? Ok we will listen to you! Both of you ....

Feminism is for women. All women. White women can often be more privileged, I don’t think any of us argue that women of colour face an overlapping but not identical set of issues. At the same time the idea that white women are massively privileged over men is absurd - yes look at the Ulster rape case. Look at the Rotherham grooming scandal. And al the other ones across the country.

This is an attempt to split feminism - we all stand together in my view. We acknowledge that women of colour face unique issues, we acknowledge that lesbians face unique issues, we acknowledge that disabled women face unique issues. but we also know that what unites us is our biology and he root cause of our oppression stems from that that ALL women have in common, Black, white, straight, gay, rich and poor, Muslim, atheist, anything.

And that single unifying aspect of our biology is exactly what TRAs are trying g to co opt and deny

We see you. We see what you’re trying to do. Off with ye.

TerfinUSA · 19/04/2018 11:44

I think part of the 'white feminism' thing is indeed to silence women, given that although most women in the world aren't white, most women reading, say, a British newspaper certainly are. But by dressing up in faux concern about racism you can pretend this is about nasty white women oppressing downtrodden transwomen of colour.

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