Three tales of sex and gender

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Very clear piece from Helen Saxby

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Excellent piece.

The Ian Huntley issue makes me cringe. I strongly believe that we need to stick with sex when legislating, but it feels underhand somehow to bring up Huntley - he barely qualifies to identify as human.

The trans person in question does not have a Gender Recognition Certificate, so as well as being physically male he is also legally male. There are huge questions to be asked about the ethics of instigating what could be construed as perjury.

It would be bad enough even if gender critical politics weren't close to the heart of this assault case.

Excellent article.

I loved this article!

Great piece of writting.

I've shared it widely as I think it really lays bare the issues for people who haven't thought deeply about this stuff before.

Great article - succinct and to the point - 3 guys taking advantage of the self ID debacle - one to win by unfair advantage, one to get access to women to rape and kill (his previous MO), and one who likes assaulting women, who are then further humiliated by being told to lie in court

Great line up of exactly why Self ID in its current form is unfit for purpose - by conveniently ignoring sex and safeguarding, it's opened the doors to male predators - precisely what was predicted - by women - who of course were ignored/s

Good article. Thanks for linking

Excellent article well worth sharing.

Remember - #thisneverhappens

Just to let you know as well that you can clap up to 50 times to make the story really stand out.

Since the wolf man confessed to the premeditated assault by he and his two friends there wasn't much the judge could do but hand out a light sentence and blame the victim. Which he did.

Thanks for the tip. busyboysmum. I have just clapped multiple times.

Laurel Hubbard
The IOC, after listening to the evidence, has set the criteria by which it is fair for transwomen to complete in competitions. And by fair I mean, transwomen do not have an advantage over natal women. Other sporting organisations tend to follow the IOCs lead. As Laurel Hubbard has followed the rules, then she should be allowed to compete.

If Helen wishes to argue this is unfair, then she needs to present evidence which is more compelling than the evidence the IOC viewed.

Ian Huntley
If Ian Huntley sincerely and genuinely identifies as a women, completes a process to reassign his gender and can be safely managed in the women's estate, then he should be transferred. However, I don't think anyone believes he is sincere. Still if he is transferred, maybe he would get to share a cell with Rosemary West.

Tara Wolf
Here the district judge, following the court rules, requested that Tara be referred to by her preferred pronoun of she. He and she - don't have a specific legal meaning - so it is just a matter of courtesy.

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Great article.

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This is an interesting article about how the IOC really don't care if women are cheated out of medals as long as they make lots of money.

The IOC has determined that males who measure 10 T can compete with women who never measure over 3T . Your are entitled to consider that fair if you so desire.

We all know that the Emperor is naked. Men should not be competing in women's sports. End of.

thebewilderness, one criterion for sports participation with women should be surgery. That's the only way to get T levels permanently down to normal ranges for any trans woman.

Mine have never been above 2.5T and that is quite common post surgery but more difficult to achieve otherwise.

The barrier seems too high from my reading of the rules.

It should also vary sport by sport as in some cases muscle density will be more important than T levels. And these will vary depending on how young transition occurs or length of time on hormones.

The current rules for trans women competing are a bit loose and not strong enough in my view and I think need reassessing to ensure they are more fair than they seem in some cases.

I am sure no trans woman competing would want it to be thought she won by default and that is hard for many outsiders observers to think at present. So it is in their interests to be sure that the rules are as equitable as possible.

It's s good article. Very clear and concise. I think short helps tbh. I'd read reams of articles on gender politics but snappy ones like this are good for sharing with those on the edges who haven't thought about it very much and would balk at spending more than a few minutes on a sex and gender reading.

thebewilderness, one criterion for sports participation with women should be surgery

See and I think the first criterion should be that one is female.

So right team. Surgery doesn't affect the muscle mass on the rest of the body and nor do hormones, even if testosterone levels drop.

By all means, grow up male and decide to become trans, take hormones, wear what you want and have surgery, but just graciously decide that competing as a female weightlifter is Just Not On.

We separate by sex for safety and fairness. I suggest if more categories of sports are needed the transgender advocate lobby for it instead of lobbying to replace the material reality of sex with gender beliefs.

I think biology has to be a factor in many sports competitions, yes.

It is a difficult balance to get right as there is no trans category just either/or in sport.

But it used to be more tightly controlled than now. They seem to have gone too far in the range of acceptance factors for trans participation.

moo, in a sport like weightlifting I would certainly not argue with that. The advantage seems too apparent.

It’s not a difficult balance to get right. It’s not a human fucking right to compete at an international level in sport. If you are born male you compete with males (drug use permitting). Ditto females. If you want to compete outside the sex/drugs rules then lobby for a new category.

Men and drugs have no place in women’s sports.