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Is this a good place for this or would it be better in another topic?

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Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 13/04/2018 19:04

It's not really a feminist item, but I do feel it deserves a wide readership. Saw it linked on Twitter earlier. www.thepublicdiscourse.com/2018/04/21220/

I don't know anything about the website it's on, but suspect it may be a right of centre US one. However, the piece is by an endocrinologist and it's a very detailed analysis of all that's wrong with a book called I am Jazz, co-authored by the unfortunate Jazz Jennings. This sort of thing makes my blood boil and I feel that all parents of GNC children referred to gender identity services should be signposted to really detailed, objective information, more like this than the book.

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SuburbanRhonda · 13/04/2018 19:14

If you want it to have a wider audience, this would be the worst place to put it at the moment, as MNHQ have decided for some reason to remove FWR threads from Active.

So only people who deliberately navigate to FWR will see it.

SuburbanRhonda · 13/04/2018 19:14

Very interesting article though.

AncientLights · 13/04/2018 19:20

It is very interesting and dispassionate. I did see a TRA comment 'WTF would an endocrinologist know about this?' Oh dear.

0phelia · 13/04/2018 19:37

This is a really tragic tragic story and makes for hard reading.

As PP above have said, I'd suggest posting this on another topic board because the lives of individual Transgender people are not particularly relevant to women and girls overall.

Waddlelikeapenguin · 13/04/2018 19:39

I've come across this before & found it well worth reading but yes if you want people to see it maybe put on another board Smile

ChattyLion · 13/04/2018 20:06

Thanks for the article. Just reading it. I read it in the library to see what it said and was shocked ... ‘girl brain’ etc. WTF? And all the stereotypical descriptions of what girls are into. I feel so, so sorry for Jazz, what has been taken from Jazz. It’s absolutely awful.

SarahAr · 13/04/2018 20:09

The article is published by the Witherspoon Institute. According to wikipedia they are a conservative think tank opposing abortion and same sex marriage. To my mind they don't seem to be particularly supportive of women's rights.

ChattyLion · 13/04/2018 20:15

I meant I read I am Jazz- not finished the link yet.

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 13/04/2018 20:16

No, which confirms my feeling this isn't the right board for this. I'll repost elsewhere. This article may well come from a position of wanting to enforce traditional gender roles. However, it's my hunch that most people would be horrified at what's been done to Jazz and other children pushed down this path, no matter what they think about other social issues.

Thanks, all.

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AbsintheFriends · 13/04/2018 20:21

I think it might be worth posting in Parenting, or Children's Health??

There must be a significant number of parents on MN who have direct personal concerns about a gender NC child and no interest in the FWR boards. Given that most people who find themselves in need of advice about gender issues are directed to Mermaids, it would be useful for them to be able to access information from an alternative perspective, especially if they are instinctively unwilling to go down the medical/surgical transformation route.

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 13/04/2018 20:27

I've put it on the LGBT children board.

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AncientLights · 13/04/2018 20:35

SarahAr - sometimes we find ourselves with strange bedfellows indeed. I often now find myself agreeing with something, then I notice who wrote it and wonder how I got to be agreeing with them. But the endocrinology should be verifiable at least as it shouldn't be about opinion but fact.

ChattyLion · 13/04/2018 20:45

I thought there are some important and really obvious truths in that article.

Plus some possible overstatements.
For eg it may be possible in future to mature viable sperm from immature sperm cells in future, I think I read elsewhere.

So if that’s right, actually a male-bodied person in this position, if they retained their immature testes (or stored a biopsy of testicular issue before removing them) and then they somehow availed themselves of this experimental fertility technology, if this is available for use in future, technically might still be able to have a genetically-related child via IVF one day...

but then I don’t know whether the effect of years of taking female hormones might rule out such a technique being helpful.

There are also some a bit daft and unnecessarily judgemental other points in the article, like about Jazz’s ‘inexplicable’ birthday drag club visit.. Grin

AbsintheFriends · 13/04/2018 20:47

Perfect Gaspode. It's a valuable article.

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