Welsh Women's Aid - Trans Inclusion Statement

[AnitaLovesVictor]

They seem to be upholding the need for women-only spaces under the EA exemptions.

Welsh Women’s Aid’s transgender policy (updated in 2016) commits to supporting the realisation of rights for trans people, and the delivery of trans inclusive services and support, on the basis of self- identification. In Britain, more than a quarter of trans people in a relationship in the last year faced domestic abuse from a partner. Specialist services in Wales receive policy guidance, training and support to ensure trans people who have experienced abuse are supported to access services that best meet their needs. This means that anyone identifying as needing women-only or men-only support services (e.g. refuges) or as needing any form of support and advocacy in the community, should be offered a service that meets their need for support to access safety and to recover from abuse.

Welsh Women’s Aid recognises that all forms of violence against women share characteristics that are linked to gendered social norms and expectations. Providing a gender-responsive service that is sensitive to the gendered dynamics of violence is a crucial component of specialist services. As such, this includes offering women-only services where needed, providing safe spaces that are only accessed by women, and putting all survivors of abuse at the centre of the response provided.

Welsh Women’s Aid recognises the global and national evidence that perpetrators of violence towards women and men are, in the vast majority of cases, men, and that violence against women, including domestic abuse and sexual violence, is a cause and consequence of inequality between women and men. Victimisation and perpetration of such abuse reflects and reproduces the gender order, and is a fundamental barrier to achieving equality between women and men.

Welsh Women’s Aid supports the continuing need for the provision of specialist services that offer women-only or BME-only support, which is vital to alleviating violence against women, as a form of discrimination, and which is lawful under the Equality Act 2010. This doesn’t detract from the need for support, safety and justice for all survivors of abuse.

Good news, I think?

I've been worried all along when I found out the new CEO of WA is an ex Stonewall Trustee - or maybe still is. Come back Polly Neate……And the govt will adopt whatever WA say - so their stance is crucial ...

Charlie I agree completely but won't reply further as I currently can't do it either calmly or politely.

This is the same weaselly way the government plan to get around this issue, I'm certain of it.

'we don't intend to change the single sex provisions in the EA' (but are very quietly allowing anyone to identify as any sex they like, and getting around it that way.)

In either case: women, you're allowed sex segregation from men for a whole lot of very good, well understood, strongly held reasons. UNLESS that man tells you the feeling in his head is that he's female, and then your feelings and your rights become dust under his feet. Now smile and be happy about it, it's lovely, positive, of course you're not being erased or endangered and if you don't think, feel and say what you're told you'd better watch out.

It's lunacy.

What is needed is a campaign that if the government are going to do this, that they just openly share that they are abandoning sex segregation. Because that's what they're doing, and they need to be honest with voters about it and let them respond accordingly.

Exactly.

As I stated on a thread a while back I want the government to listen to and acknowledge women's concerns and be clear to the public that they are going ahead with changes understanding that some women and girls will be collateral damage for the sake of male feelings.

I want them to own this so years down the line they can't claim they didn't know.

Just some clarity would be nice. Instead of long, woolly statements.

But I suppose that's the problem when words have lost all meaning, and we're stuck in some Orwellian NewSpeak nightmare.

It has always been the ultimate male dominance display for some males.
Telling women and girls that if you do not want to strip in front of males you can go home and stay home demonstrates exactly what the intent has been from the beginning for some politicians. They have made no bones about their misogyny.

Does the WA policy mean that if someone has a GRC they are legally a woman and can access the services?This is still not necessary under the Equality act, so I can only see that all and sundry can now define themselves as women which absolutely contradicts with the sex specific service provisions. Are WA going to be leading on provision of services to the SIDers? No doubt while womens services are being cut, there will be plenty of money for these poor confused men.

What's the proposed official remedy for those girls who simply refuse to get undressed in front of a male classmate who identifies as a girl? Are they to be disciplined in some way?

That's horrible Charley. What they are advocating is deeply abusive to the girls. Why don't people care? I don't mean misogynists. Of course they don't. Of course they glory in the chance to do this. But self declared feminists and "inclusive" people, female and male.

That's horrible Charley. What they are advocating is deeply abusive to the girls. Why don't people care? I don't mean misogynists. Of course they don't. Of course they glory in the chance to do this. But self declared feminists and "inclusive" people, female and male.

RogerAllamsFangirl very true - my youngest was excluded/excl himself. School handled it wonderfully. Kids were encouraged to include him, but there was no lecturing, hectoring, belittling or insulting them. It took effort though. And persistence on the part of the school.

Materialist I fear you are right. And as thebewilderness says it shows the misogynist nature of TRAs clearly.

AngryAttackKittens Not in the UK. According to guidelines by trans orgs they are to be re-educated. Having grown up in a country where that was a thing, this fills me with horror.

Ereshkigal because they do not read trans forums; they have never been confronted with this issue at their kids' school; they assume trans = post-op transsexual; they have never heard what TRAs say and wouldn't believe you if you told them.