Multi participant sex and rape

[PinkbicyclesinBerlin]

How have we gotten to a point that men believe that lots of women want to be passed along to their friend when they are done with them and how can this culture be counteracted? Lots of women seem to view their version of this interaction when it happens to them as non consensual and rape and yet the prevailing culture does not view this as rape.

I am not speaking of a specific rape trial in this instance but more generally this is becoming a huge problem and it seems that rape in these circumstances is impossible to prove.

For me it comes back to the extreme porn so many young boys/men are exposed to A significant number of males consider women as less than humans, just a serious of fuck holes

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My own personal experience was very similar to the recent case. Even to the point of them being in a "respected" position. I wouldn't take it further with the police in a million years, so I dread to think how many women are out there in the same position :(

When rape is (naralt...) generally his word versus hers and hard enough to legally prove then, there is no way it doesn't have an effect when it's multiple men's word against one woman.

It does seem to be that some men think that women who are happy to have a ONS with one man would be up for sex with any man, any when. I don’t watch porn I can’t comment on its influence but it does seem that some men cannot understand that consent for sex with one person is not consent for all people or everything.
Another poster of a different thread pointed out that these men don’t tell they need to ask consent as they cannot imagine that they’d be refused. Or along those lines.
It’s really quite depressing.

Yes, this bothers me too. It seems to be a way to make it impossible to prove rape, because rather than one person's word against another, it's two people giving the same story, a story that makes the woman an "imperfect rape victim" because she's "a slut", versus one woman's word. So they're all getting found not guilty.

Whereas, to me, the idea of any woman being comfortable, when they were naked and having sex with one man, and another man enters the room, there is just no way that a woman wouldn't jump/squeal/shout get out and try and cover herself up, not smile and wave over someone else to join in.

It just wouldn't happen. Except in porn.

I think this is a fairly niche type of sex though, believe me I am absolutely no prude but I would not personally be up for multiparty sex so I am wondering is it far more mainstream than I realise because they are obviously a tonne of men who believe women want it. That must be at least in part down to the proliferation of porn I suppose but I have no clue. Unless of course I am wrong and it is a “thing” now with lots of women.

The other thing that absolutely baffles me is the perpetual notion that women cry rape after a bad shag. I have had plenty of bad sex but have no idea where men have gotten the idea that women regretting sex means that they will suddenly decide they have been raped in the morning. I believe with absolute certainty that almost every woman ever who says they have been raped have felt violated by the sexual experience that they had that they absolutely consider that they have been raped. I would say it is so remote as to almost be completely improbable that women who have had non violating sex would say they have been raped.

The problem is definitely with the burden of proof in rape trials being almost unobtainable to meet.

A long time ago Andrea Dworkin, I think, said that porn tells lies about women and the truth about men.
The behaviors men consider perfectly acceptable or at the least perfectly legal bear this out.

A long time ago Andrea Dworkin, I think, said that porn tells lies about women and the truth about men
The behaviors men consider perfectly acceptable or at the least perfectly legal bear this out

The verdict was made by the jury which in this case was 7 women and 5 men. Are you suggesting all 12 of them were basing their decision on what is presented in porn?

Reading about it am puzzled by this decision but then come up against the brick wall of that is what the jury decided having heard the evidence.

Beyond11cisRetinol so sorry you experienced that.

I truly hoped in recent years women would feel more confident in making complaints, but the recent treatment of complainants has been very saddening.

I was raped 15 years ago but as I had been drinking I considered reporting it pointless (even though I was with colleagues and went to bed on my own as I felt drunk). At a similar time my friend consented to vaginal sex but was pinned down and raped anally, we didn't think for a second it should be reported to the police - we didn't think it could it be proved.

I agree, easier access to porn, and the abundance of porn competing to be more and more hardcore has influenced the attitudes of men who watch porn.

oh, mere expectations of cum in the face, how times have changed. She set up Make Love Not Porn, but it doesn't seem to have had much influence.

I worry very much for the younger generations who have their earliest curiosities about sex avalanched with the fetishes of online porn.