Men's violence women's fault

[2rebecca]

I think Jordan Peterson makes some good points but following him on twitter have become dismayed by his campaign to keep women in the kitchen and restore sexual stereotypes.
In my opinion sexual stereotypes of macho masculinity are part of the problem of male violence not part of the solution.
Today's tweet by him linking a US newspaper article by a woman where male violence is (somehow, it's not explained exactly how feminists cause men to fail at school and beat people up) all feminists' fault
twitter.com/jordanbpeterson/status/983196054458896384

My son is a big JP fan and is thinking of going to Ireland to hear him speak.

Have you asked your son how he heard of JP and why he likes him?

Yes, we've discussed him. He's watched a lot of his you tube stuff and we both have his new book. He's exploring religion at the moment having been raised atheist and finding that interesting.

Can your DS see his bias? If he can remain skeptical and see JP as a flawed human he can get something out of his lectures, but his misogyny is frightening. He's very influential.

Your son might enjoy this review of JP's book- I know I did. It's long and joyous and very critical.

www.currentaffairs.org/2018/03/the-intellectual-we-deserve

That article seems to have an assumption that men do not want to look after their children? That is one of the weirdest things that transitional masculinity says tbh. Loads of men are very close to their children and soppy as anything!

One thing I did read, which is weird, men who have primary care/ look after small kids a lot, have a measurable reduction in testosterone. Which is amazing really, as a mechanism presumably to make him calmer etc when looking after kids which can be very annoying and frustrating! So I suppose they have a point, if you want your men to be angry, violent, unemotional "men's men" then you probably don't want to give them babies to look after, but, what about the mental health thing? I thought party of it was about feeling detached, wouldn't this help?

I also liked that the article said women weren't oppressed by men but by "nature". Don't know about you lot but I have had a lot of grief from owls and harvest mice

(I think she means it's natural for men to oppress women, as the ones who have babies it makes sense that we are "weak" and men should control us).

Traditional not transitional!

Also I noticed I wrote "angry, violent, unemotional" which is ridiculous as anger/ losing temper and being violent are highly emotional! The stereotype of a "man's man" though says this, doesn't it. So, how is it that "angry/ violent" and "unemotional" are linked? I think because gender says emotion is for women, coded "feminine" and so it can't be applied to men as it would be demeaning, even when they are clearly being emotional.

Jordan Peterson is awful - misogynist, weirdly bitter conflation of all modern-day humanities research with Stalinism (because his own currently unfashionable research area has hit a cul de sac), actual violent transphobia (not gender-criticality because he is all for gender stereotypes and as previously mentioned he thinks that feminism is literally the same thing as Marxism, Stalinism, and that gender studies professors are therefore literally responsibility for the genocide in Cambodia)...

I’d be extremely worried if my son was a fan. He’s a hero to Reddit red-pill MRA rape apologist types.

Problem is, there are far more feminists in power than there are nonfeminists in power. Thus, we never hear anything in media other than male bashing.

Never anything other that male bashing?! Seriously. The whole article read like a parody tbh. Yes, its true men are more likely to successfully commit suicide, but thats because men use more violent methods overall. So many other wrong things in it that I don't know where to start tbh, so will leave it at that.

Not understanding why dismantling 'gender' is a bad thing either. It does not mean everyone needs to be androgynous at all, but that people would be free to be who they are without ridicule. And thats bad?

@Sashkin "violent transphobia" please can you reference I am not aware of him being violent. Thanks

He's a great showman I think, rather than a great intellectual I dont agree with much he says.

The article reads like a piss take?! A reverse as AIBU would have it.

I remember watching an interview with him on YouTube that someone posted here (it was about his refusal to use people's preferred pronouns), and then I looked at some of his other stuff. I was expecting a rational argument but to me it seemed more like furious ranting and I was slightly disturbed by it. And frankly I've seen better articulation of the arguments by some of the posters here with whom I fundamentally disagree. Thanks for the link to the review Anlaf - it was illuminating!

I like the article posted by Anlaf upthread; it reveals the method very nicely. Its so similar to 'cold reading' used by psychics that I refuse to believe it's accidental.

Waddle sorry that should have read “virulent” - bloody autocorrect!

You are quite right, he is very careful to stay just on the right side of the law re: hate speech. His supporters aren’t quite so careful

Will send him that link in a few weeks when all his college deadlines are passed.

Some of his videos are ranty but he can be calm as well, and it was one of him dealing calmly with protesters accusing him of transphobia that led me to buy the book as I get bored easily watching you tube videos.

Thanks Sashkin that makes more sense
One thing I did find very interesting was a youtube of his about staying calm (?) in an argument & not allowing people to rephrase your arguments to their advantage etc

1st rule of misogyny: Women are responsible for what men do.
10th rule of misogyny: The worst thing about male violence is that it makes men look bad.