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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

‘Male rage’ article in Guardian today

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LarryUnderwood · 08/04/2018 23:03

Anyone read this article in the Guardian today? It was pretty interesting but I couldn’t really focus because the first few paragraphs really boiled my piss. The assertion that, until now, no one has noticed that most extremist violence is committed by men and that this is some kind of revelation. I’m pretty sure most women everywhere spotted this about 500 years ago. But what the author really means is that no men noticed or acknowledged this. Ugh.
www.theguardian.com/world/2018/apr/08/violent-extremists-share-one-thing-gender-michael-kimmel

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FeministBadger · 09/04/2018 08:33

What I find weird is that anyone who has studied classics would know that this phenomenon has been acknowledged for millennia. There are ancient writings talking about the need to tie young men (age 15 - 30) to either a family or some form of military to give them a sense of purpose and tie them to society because otherwise they become a destructive force. It's why we had national service, and why a number of countries still have bonuses such as a free house upon marriage and further upon the birth of children.

It was, importantly, a way of turning that violent energy to the use of the nation state rather than against it - so just a redirection of energies rather than trying to quell them. After all, if you've got all the angry young men on your side you become quite powerful.

Hypermice · 09/04/2018 08:35

Not allowing comments or deleting offensive ones in the Guardian doesn't bother me.

Their tag line is ‘comment is free.’

They should police anything offensive in the extreme but in reality they police anything g that doesn’t fit their ideology, which makes free comment a joke.
The graun comments are a cesspit - angry angry men just bashing away at their keyboards, and Russian bots. It’s like a parallel universe

LangCleg · 09/04/2018 08:52

Except it is only left-wing in its imagination.

Exactly! Gas lighting readers on a major scale that anything contained within has anything to do with actual left wing thought (with the tiniest number of honourable exceptions).

NotBadConsidering · 09/04/2018 12:03

For me it's the hypocrisy of the way they deal with comments. Either don't allow them at all, or allow them and police them reasonably along lines of hate speech etc. What they actually do is delete comments that argue against their ideology, criticise points in the articles, and "Guardian Pick" comments that agree. Dissent is becoming less tolerated: if an article is getting consistently slated in the comments, they close the comments. It's blatant censorship along their ideological lines.

And sometimes they don't even know what their ideological lines are. I had a comment removed last week because I criticised an anti-abortion line of an article. Can you imagine that? Calling out anti-abortion in the Guardian and getting modded for it?

So if they don't want comments, fine, we can debate stuff here. But they shouldn't pretend to be a bastion of free speech and criticise others who censor when they're at it all bloody day.

Ereshkigal · 09/04/2018 12:11

Yes I agree with that. Perhaps they should get rid of them if they can't moderate properly.

EnthusiasmIsDisturbed · 09/04/2018 13:06

Well I for one am glad it has finally been recognised that violence is down to mainly one gender

Let’s no longer pretend it’s down to one sex and acknowledge the truth that violence throughout history has been committed by the female sex who feel they are men

Xxfemale · 12/04/2018 21:23

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