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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

The Transgender Revolution on R4 right now

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LapdanceShoeshine · 08/04/2018 17:05

www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b09xjx34

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lucydogz · 08/04/2018 17:20

Listening. Seems very fluffy so far. And uncritical. Surprise!

LapdanceShoeshine · 08/04/2018 17:35

Yes, it is very 'on the one hand'...'on the other hand'

Just heard "Maddie" talking about how tough it is to be a girl growing up these days. That was spot on.

uh-oh - it's Jane Fae now, booo

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LapdanceShoeshine · 08/04/2018 17:40

I tell you what though, all that "let toys be toys" stuff about pink aisles & blue aisles of toys was right all along. My kids grew up in the 80s & 90s & Early Learning Centre had no pink and blue - if anything came in a different colour it would be eg orange & green.

Can we get back to that, please? It would help so much with kids thinking they have to like one or the other Confused

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lucydogz · 08/04/2018 17:44

I thought Maddie was spot on too. Would like to have more critical stuff. Thought the sentence at the end was interesting 'nature loves diversity'. Funny that, the vast proportion of the animal Kingdom isn't gender fluid

Tinycitrus · 08/04/2018 17:49

It occurred to me yesterday when I was in H&M with dd (8) trying to buy some t shirts that weren’t tight pink and/or sparkly and some jeans which weren’t skin tight.

We ended up in the boys section yet again. I wonder what that says to DD about her gender identity?
She said to me that she wished they made the same clothes for boys and gir girls just in boy and girl sizes.

She is currently sat on floor making s cafe out of Lego. And no, the Lego is not pink.

KOKOagainandagain · 08/04/2018 17:57

Well, that was crap!

The presenter did not even make the connection between strict, socially constructed gender roles and the increase in questioning of 'gender' questioning. Completely took for granted that only trans people question socially constructed gender roles. So the solution is obviously not to challenge the validity of social constructs but for individuals to seek to change sex.

Trans 'gender' only has meaning in a context of strict socially constructed gender roles, a pink box and a blue box. Changing which box an individual feels they fit within rather than getting rid of boxes.

Trans women do not challenge notions of femininity but rely on them to argue that they are 'better' women. Yeah, femininity is a male construct so of course men do 'feminine' better than women.

lucydogz · 08/04/2018 18:06

That nailed it keepon.

AdultHumanFemale · 08/04/2018 18:53

Producers shouldn't be allowed to let statements such as "Nature doesn't do binaries!" to go unchallenged.
And referring to an innate sense of gender identity as a given, right at the end... it upsets me so much, that's exactly the problem.

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