Anything got a share token for time article on Miranda Yardley?

[ReappearingWoman]

I really want to read it!

Or even if someone can comment/summarise? Thanks

And encouraging that pretty well all the comments are supporting MY rather than LM.

Whilst I prefer MY to LM any day - this doesn't sit right with me:

I don’t have a problem with Madigan per se . . . and could see it possible for a male to act as a women’s officer.

It's not feasible for any man to act as a women's officer - that's the bloody point..…..

At least if a man who said he was a man was a women's officer he could be questioned for inappropriate behaviour when representing women.

Did Madigan really say DBS checks were transphobic by the way? Did anyone get a screenshot or did I dream that?

One of Miranda's tweets is factual ('Lily Madigan is a man'), and another (the one about 'transmisogny') is opinion that is stated plainly but not hatefully. Only the 'Willy Madagain' one could be interpreted as coming close to 'abuse', although it is fairly mild compared to the stuff that thousands of Labour members post on Twitter every week.

It seems clear that Miranda is caught up in the attempt by Genderist true believers to purge heretics from the Labour Party. Venice Allen and Jennifer James were interrogated over similarly personal but fundamentally harmless tweets/messages (as well as actual statements of fact, of course). Clearly the 'Stalinist secret squirrels' (as JJ calls them) are closely monitoring the social media of the most high-profile gender-critical Labour members, to catch any statement that could be used to expel them from the party.

I suppose Miranda can now look forward to having the kind of surreal McCarthy-esque interrogation that Venice and Jennifer were subjected to. ('Are you now, or have you ever been a person who knows that human beings can't actually change sex?')

Miranda's superb response to the Labour Party:

mirandayardley.com/en/how-transgender-ideology-is-destroying-the-labour-party/

LM has apparently deleted all tweets and opened a new account. @madigan_lils All previous blocks removed, according to a tweet I saw. Has someone perhaps been having a word?

I have better things to do than debate dull people, so I'm not going to do that anymore.

I think the term TERF poisons radical feminism and we should use transphobe instead. After all, they tend to have irrational fear and/or hatred.

[Hmm]

How interesting. I'm not blocked!

Labour eats itself.
So Labour doesn’t like the kind of transwoman that empathises with other women, but loves the misogynistic kind? Ok, great, so we know where we all stand then. Is it wrong to want to hug Miranda? I’m actually a bit younger than Miranda but feel very maternalistic somehow.

I bloody love Miranda. A person of great courage who is not afraid to interrogate themselves as well as other people. I wish I could say I was as brave as that.

It would tell me that the Labour Party has moved away from identifying and fighting material class-based oppression to championing the rights of the individual and their personal identity. This would position the Labour Party both socially and economically as neoliberal. It would also demonstrate that as well as being incapable of listening to women and taking their concerns seriously, the Party does not care for transsexuals.

Go, Miranda!

No I can't find LM on twitter now. Maybe LM is taking that break...

See my post above, Certain. New account.

I also do love Miranda. He would never expect me to gaslight myself.

WTF does the 'debate' keep referring to black people???!

a) it's never any other race

b) what is the relevance to race here anyway? Black, White, East Asian, South Asian, Middle Eastern ... whatever, you are still a male or female irrespective of your skin, hair, eye colour etc., not to mention your sexuality or disability.

Woman = adult human female. While the definition of adult is debatable, the other two aren't and ethnicity is completely irrelevant to that.

It seems to me that it's not "intersectionality" to keep bringing up race in this particular conversation. I'm clearly missing something (and am genuinely open to explanation rather than ranting here) because the very people who rail against colonialism and appropriation also seem to be the very people who keep bringing race into the conversation.

I assume these boards are predominately populated by white people, given it's a UK site, but if there are women of other races reading who can face it, I'd really appreciate hearing your thoughts on the matter.

This is @madigan_lils talking about the term "TERF":

"Yeah, doesn't seem like the best term. I'm not apologising for my behaviour."

Certain

@madigan_lils

WTF does the 'debate' keep referring to black people???!

It's an American thing, like identity politics itself.

Thanks for posting. Great comments (although closed now it seems)

Miranda

Miranda's reply to the LP interrogators is a classic that needs saving for reuse. I don't envy the poor woman who will be interviewing MY who has such robust arguments .

The 'black woman' trope is often used by TRAs. I saw one last year that stayed with me. The TRA asked whether if a black woman went out with a bunch of white friends, and she decided to 'enjoy her body' by dancing on a table topless, would her friends be racist if they objected? The implication was 'yes'. Incidentally the word used was not 'black woman' but something much more old-fashioned.

Is "concerned for friend" not an option here? I don't have any friends who'd do something like that, but if they did my first thought would be more "are you OK/how much have you had to drink/ugh what am I going to do about that lairy bloke eyeing you up" than "is this appropriate or not based on skin tone?"

Excellent comments on that Times article.

womanformallyknownaswoman

Whilst I prefer MY to LM any day - this doesn't sit right with me:

I don’t have a problem with Madigan per se . . . and could see it possible for a male to act as a women’s officer.

It's not feasible for any man to act as a women's officer - that's the bloody point...

Yes I agree that a women’s officer should be female. My point is to show that even if we were to entertain the idea a male could fulfil that role, Madigan would not be the man for the job.

Yes. Too young. And you would expect a man taking on that role to have some experience of working with women's issues.

To The Times:

thanks for reporting this important issue. I've registered with your site.

Thank you Miranda . I hope you are ok, it must feel a bit surreal when twitter turns into real life.

@Miranda and others: what is the procedure from here?

Would someone be kind enough to repost the transcript from the other labour member's interview? (Posie, I think).