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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

'Every Day' tells the story of Rhiannon, a 16-year old girl, who falls in love with a spirit named A, a traveling soul who wakes each morning in a different body, living a different life every day.

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Mouthtrousersafrocknowandthen · 03/04/2018 23:28

www.showcasecinemas.co.uk/film-info/every-day

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How to convince your kids that unavailable men are great fun. Flakes are amazing. Delusional men are great for your self esteem. How to get happy life, hook up with all the gaslighting guys you meet for ever!

Mindpoisen.

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CircleSquareCircleSquare · 03/04/2018 23:29

Sweet baby cheeses.

Sci fi!

UpstartCrow · 04/04/2018 10:56

Alternative version; a group of men work out how to get a young girl to give out to each of them in turn...

Mouthtrousersafrocknowandthen · 06/04/2018 20:42

@Upstartcrow
Bang on the nail. I've met lots of them, it could be the same man in a different body, telling me the same shit for years.

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boatyardblues · 06/04/2018 20:47

Saw the trailer today. I was more struck by what appeared to be casual hook-ups and faux lesbian snogging (the travelling soul is not particular about the host’s sex). Looked real odd, but I’m struggling to articulate why it bothered me.

Fancyaruck · 06/04/2018 20:49

Has anyone read the book that it's based on? Teacher here who has, after seeing a number of students really engaged by it - source material is actually pretty thoughtful.

Mouthtrousersafrocknowandthen · 06/04/2018 21:10

Its just a teenage boy gaming/porn fantasy surely, lets take all our daughters and they are then softened up for gaslighting.

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Mouthtrousersafrocknowandthen · 06/04/2018 21:13

I get that the book may be more thoughtful, I love the concept of a collective consciousness, but its a definite drop your knickers trope. The next man that tells you the same bullshit, you've heard it before, oh yes, it means he really loves you? NO?

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Mouthtrousersafrocknowandthen · 06/04/2018 21:18

Its just Tinder in a movie.

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Fancyaruck · 11/04/2018 23:32

Again...have you actually read the book/seen anything to base your judgement on?

UpstartCrow · 12/04/2018 00:37

I bet it would be possible to make the same point without involving a teenage girl being available to all the characters.

AngryAttackKittens · 12/04/2018 05:12

So women are all emotion and no libido, then? We literally don't care at all what the people we shag look like, because none of that icky body stuff matters to us?

Old misogynistic myths in shiny new packaging. No thanks.

qumquat · 12/04/2018 07:34

Also seems to add the the tra trope that sexes bodies don't matter and it's bigoted to only be attracted to one sex.

AngryAttackKittens · 12/04/2018 07:37

Imagine a version of this where it's a teenage boy with a new partner every day, sometimes of the same sex, because it was the mind/soul/whatever that he loved and the body was just details.

Were you able to? I certainly can't imagine it getting the sort of whimsical isn't love grand soft focus marketing this one is, if it even got made. I can imagine homophobic outrage.

nooka · 12/04/2018 07:53

I've not seen the trailer but when I heard that the book had been optioned I wondered how it would be possible to make. Mainly because it's not Rhiannon's story, and it's certainly not really about a girl sleeping around. I found it a really interesting and thought provoking book, and I have a few other books by the same author (David Leviathan) which are also excellent, with a particular focus on same sex and bisexual relationships (my dd is bisexual so we had a particular interest - I believe that David Leviathan is gay).

qumquat · 12/04/2018 07:58

Do any of his books focus on bisexuality or homosexuality in teenage boys? It would be great if they did. Like angry I can't imagine this story with the sexes reversed.

AngryAttackKittens · 12/04/2018 08:07

Also, I'm bisexual so I can see where the temptation to frame relationships in this sort of way comes from, but I feel like for gay and lesbian kids it's really important that rather than that sort of "the body doesn't matter, you just love their soul" message (or maybe in addition to) they get the message that it's normal and positive to be physically attracted to people of your own sex. Particularly for young lesbians, who at the moment are getting pressure to consider whether they might be able to force themselves to like male bodies from every direction.

boatyardblues · 12/04/2018 08:19

I agree Kittens. I haven’t seen the film or the book, so I can’t judge the author’s intent, but the way the trailer is cut is problematic in that it implies a girl’s/woman’s sexuality and physical attraction to another is unimportant or subordinate to a “soul connection” or similar. I find the proposition “if you loved me, you’d accept me whatever” a tad manipulative. The trans widows thread and the recent Scottish consultation on self-ID & divorce grounds spring to mind, but its equally true of coercive/abusive relationships where one party radically shifts the ground rules and expects the other to meekly go along with it.

Somethingweird · 12/04/2018 09:32

I read the book. I immediately saw it is part of the gender ideology (you can fall in love with someone's soul, physical sex makes no difference). There is one day when he wakes up in (you've guessed it) a female born person now living as their true authentic male self.

Creepy and gaslighty seen from a critical perspective; enlightened and affirming if seen from a teenager's.

SomeDyke · 12/04/2018 12:09

Not read/seen this, but I'm reminded of other sci-fi stuff that visited similar themes. So, Star Trek Next Generation (season 4, episide 23), 'The Host', had Dr Crusher having a relationship with a Trill, which were a symbiotic species. When the symbiont was eventually transplanted into a female host, Dr Crusher declined to continue the relationship. So, from a 1991 perspective, Beverly declining a homosexual relationship, even though from the point of view of personality the individual was similar (blending of symbiont and host personalities, but retains memories). Disappointed as we all were that Dr Bev didn't turn into a dyke, nevertheless the premise (sex matters, bodies matter), wasn't particularly controversial at the time, as I recall. Would have been more controversial if she had had a lesbian relationship, frankly.......

And of course we have Virginia Woolfs Orlando as well. The ideas are not new in terms of personalities/bodies/sexual attraction, but the seemingly only permissable answer nowadays is (the we should not mind the sex at all, just the person).

As regards 'Every Day', from what it says on the web, the premise (a soul that inhabits someone else body every day) sounds potentially exploitative -- if A is in love with the same girl, does the host body get to consent? Have they agreed to host this spirit? Why do we try to assign a 'gender' to the body-hopping spirit?.........SO, in Sci-Fi, from Orlando to Quantum Leap, these ideas are not new in anyway, but the twist being used at the moment is..............to try and convince us that 'gender' matters and sex/bodies don't/shouldn't...........

Somethingweird · 12/04/2018 15:28

SomeDyke - I think you are right

to try and convince us that 'gender' matters and sex/bodies don't/shouldn't.

Not sure if it is deliberate, just reflects the zeit geist (is that how you spell it?!)

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