Helen from Mermaids has started a Twitter thread smearing Kiri Tunks, Anne Ruzylo and Woman's Place UK

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twitter.com/mimmymum/status/980755636907659264

Surely this is against the law? It's just a pack of lies!

I know Kiri and I know how she feels about this. I truly understand how trans people need rights and to be accepted as part of the human race. But I also feel if I was trans I would want to have rights that can not be abused by others and their actions sully my existence and cause others to distrust me and others who have gone through the same process.

Discussion should not be banned. It educates people.

This is why we neee a thread where we feature these types of baseless attacks and report them in large numbers.

Duly noted datun, very astute!

Their funding should have been cut as soon as the case where they were ordered to stop contact with the mother who'd been trying to trans her totally uninterested in gender crap child was concluded. Can you imagine if the RSPCC had been ordered to stay away from a family because a judge determined that their involvement was harming a child?

The disconnect between media/social media and what you hear from people irl really is odd. Other than a few right on teens and 20 somethings everyone I've spoken to about this offline thinks the whole thing is absurd. Even the ones who think it's terribly cruel to actually point out that people can't change sex don't believe that changing sex is actually possible or that gender is a thing, they just think it's unkind to say so to someone who believes themselves to have done so.

@SirVixofVixHall I'd guess:

The internet bringing people together and amplifying certain voices.

Rebellion against the increased gender divide/sexualisation of women in marketing.

A feeling of 'never again' after the persecution of gays.

Latest craze among young people after goth/emo etc.

Identity politics: trans people (at least transwomen) have taken on the ultimate victim role.

I can see the wisdom in Datun's words - rising above the abuse and accusations - and never being the one being abusive is good advice.

Sometimes people are goady, tell lies, etc - until people snap - then they can say 'see! you're abusive!' Classic abuser behaviour.

But then, the defamation here is staggering. And yes the TRAs definitely orchestrate a massive reporting campaigns to get stuff banned/taken down. They've attacked Posie's crowdfunder now. The power of social media is being denied to gender critical feminists, I would say. Some of Peachyoghurt's YT videos were taken down, FB pages have been taken down, twitter users banned. We are being silenced.

NotTerfNorCis

Also language.

Hiding the debate under niche terms that sound irrelevant. Who would think self-id for trans people or GRA reform merited investigation?

Muddying terms to hide passing a law meaning any man could become a woman. Once you believe 'transwomen are women' and have swallowed the massively wide definition of the transumbrella you have basically accepted that premise. But never actually analysed it rationally.

Once you have that established, you can frame pro-women's rights arguments as 'anti trans'. Which they are not.

Making transphobic a catch all term for ever questioning the lie that a man can actually physically become a woman.

Then extending transphobic to include DBS checks, FGM, calling out male violence in anyone who self-identifies as trans (so any man who decides to say he is a woman).

Dissolve the language and the real story appears.

Making transphobic a catch all term for ever questioning the lie

Yes there is an extreme sensitivity to causing offence and a willingness to take offence which has certain contributed to this. Political opinions are pathologised as 'phobias'. Personal feelings have become more important than objective facts.

Political opinions are pathologised as 'phobias'. Personal feelings have become more important than objective

For some and particularly in the Westminster bubble until relatively recently. But this is starting to dissolve around the edges and beyond.

Can totally echo what Datum said. A poster called Cote used to be here and was absolutely lethal in her logical process of why trans ideology is so flawed. Drilled down right to the bone of it.

Interesting, and terrifying in equal measure.

So anyone who supports women's rights must be transphobic.

I would like to be able to be more supportive of transpeople but these activists make it into a confrontation when we just want to be able to discuss things openly and honestly.

Part of the problem of blocking so many people is aside from the creation of your own echo bubble, you dramatically reduce your own audience.

If people can't see your tweets, re-tweet them - can't see you articulate your point, making a logical case for what you assert, being reasonable/polite even when people disagree with you; then fundamentally you are only ever preaching to the converted.

To anyone whose on the fence you just come across as a zealot.

I think some activists really think they are doing "good work" on social media, but looking at their feeds I honestly think they are doing more to contribute to the other side of the debate than that which they claim to support.

Wine
That’s a really good analysis of the situation.

Can people please report this petition to Change for being malicious harassment?

www.change.org/p/national-education-union-national-education-union-ask-your-new-president-to-resign-for-her-transphobia

Kiri Tunks is not transphobic.

I have reported it.