Labour lost members over anti-semitism but not self-id push?

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Labour is reported to have lost £17,000 members over semitism. How is it known? Why aren't there numbers given for Labour losing members over self-ID? On several threads over the last few months there were quite a few posters saying they left the party and sent a letter/ email to Labour explaining why. Were they just those few people so that the numbers were negligible? Or if not, why hasn't it been reported that women are leaving Labour over self-ID?

Anti semitism is front page news. Self-id is not. Women are not important. I assume that's why.
The thing is that very few ordinary people know about self-id and its impact on women and girls. I didn't until I saw posts on mumsnet, so although there will be people leaving the party about it - maybe not as many.
We need to get the news out there.

it's worth commenting under the articles - there are lots in the Times today although they're all being moderated.

Thanks. I can definitely comment under the articles - yes, it was the Times I read it in but need to log in outside FB - don’t have the guts to do it on there.

On another self-ID thread, a while back, there was a poster who had contacts in the press. Droves started leaving a while back, before this latest spotlight on labour’s anti-semitism - no one gives a monkey why though.

I did wonder if Labour were secretly pleased with all the anti-Semitism headlines because they now don't have to explain why women are turning away in droves.

Yes I saw that headline. As I understand it, Labour's membership numbers were already nose-diving on the back of self-ID and the witch hunt against Jennifer James, before the latest round of anti-semitism cases hit the headlines. No doubt those will have added to the lost members. (I still can't believe JC is claiming to have looked at that mural and simply seen white middle aged business men playing monopoly - it's one of the most blatantly anti-semitic images I've seen outside of a history book detailing the use of propaganda in the Third Reich.)

I wondered about the loss of members relating to anti-semitism and was surprised when there was no reference to self-ID in the article. I think people are becoming more aware of the issues, A lot of my friends looked at me as though I had two heads when I brought it up a year ago but less so now.

Wonder how many of the people resigning currently due to self ID, but without explicitly saying why, are being attributed to losses due to anti Semitism?

I'm pretty sure I read something in a broadsheet recently about women leaving Labour over self ID. But it was subtle. Possibly in an article about the ManFriday swim?

The difference in this case is because Labour is now losing £££, not 'just' women.

I assumed this number came not from Labour but from the Jewish community - i.e. Jewish Labour supporters declaring they would no longer vote for the party, for example if a survey had been commissioned by a Jewish publication.

Comparing the two in this thread seems a little inappropriate, though. For Jewish people what's going on in the Labour party is terrifying.

As a Jewish woman I can tell you that from where I standing Corbyn's party looks like a cross between Stalinist Russia and the Nazi party.

I don't think that it's inappropriate to connect the two situations. Both are about members' legitimate concerns being brushed aside. Legitimate concerns about being disregarded as a group, about the legitimisation of prejudice against the group.

While I wouldn't compare the situations, I would certainly connect them as demonstrations of how LP lip-service to inclusivity actually tries to gloss over their true attitude of intolerance and uninterest.