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Could this be harmful/dangerous?

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Viago · 30/03/2018 11:12

mobile.twitter.com/LGBTLD/status/979423663547146240

If you scroll down a little bit, the person on the LibDem twitter account (a transwoman I think) says they filled in the female question when they gave blood.

People underneath are saying it could be dangerous - I know nothing about this area, I'm sure there will be a MNer with expertise in this. If not dangerous then maybe more implications than they have thought about? Genuinely not trying to scaremonger. My biology knowledge is minimal.

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ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 30/03/2018 11:22

You may find this an illuminating read:

beyondthebinary.co.uk/giving-blood-as-a-non-binary-transgender-person/

Short version. According to this blog post it is important that the NHS know your sex as.it can be important, however if you are transgender they will record your preferred gender with the blood 🤷🏻‍♂️

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 30/03/2018 11:26

Eg the whole men who have sex with men category

www.blood.co.uk/who-can-give-blood/men-who-have-sex-with-men/

Men who have had sex with a man cannot give blood for three months, unless of course one of them identifies as a woman...

This

www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/male_partners_of_transgender_wom

Is from 2015, and states this

HomeTerf · 30/03/2018 11:43

Given that women have to wait 16 weeks between blood donations and that text was dated 4th Jan I'd say he probably didn't give blood this week either. (Men only have to wait 12 weeks though...)

NotTerfNorCis · 30/03/2018 11:45

Men who have had sex with a man cannot give blood for three months, unless of course one of them identifies as a woman..

Um but isn't that because anal sex is more likely to transmit HIV? Do transladies not have anal sex with their boyfriends? Confused

4yoniD · 30/03/2018 11:46

Maybe I'm being slow but in the above link (whatdotheyknow) could someone translate what the nhs mean when they refer to transgender man and transgender woman?

Is/was a transgender man born male or female? I honestly can't figure out if the rules are sensible (12 month limit on men sleeping with men regardless of claimed gender) or mind bogglingly insane (the exception doesn't apply to male - Tim relations)

OlennasWimple · 30/03/2018 11:48

Obviously the clever blood knows that it is from lady veins, even if it has been circulating about a body that includes a penis, so it's fine and dandy to record it as being from a man

Ereshkigal · 30/03/2018 11:55

Is/was a transgender man born male or female?

Female. The NHS have swallowed the Kool Aid completely.

Ellenripleysalienbaby · 30/03/2018 12:08

Hang on, so a trans woman (ie. Man) who has been having sex with a man can put themselves down as 'female' on the giving blood form? And then the whole HIV risk thing won't apply to them?

Ellenripleysalienbaby · 30/03/2018 12:10

And is that twitter account actually affiliated with the Lib Dems or have they just used the name?

CircleSquareCircleSquare · 30/03/2018 12:20

Blood product composition is different for men and women so it is important sex is noted, particularly in regard plasma.

PlowerOfScotland · 30/03/2018 12:25

I believe its affiliated Ellen. Would be so happy to be proved wrong.

Freudian · 30/03/2018 12:33

I believe its preferred to use blood donated by the same sex partly due to hormone levels etc

In addition Anyone having Anal sex with a man who has lots of sex with other men is at a higher risk of HIV. Its not a popular position but it is just a fact.

Why cant people who are at higher risk just not donate ? I travelled in a few certain countries and was barred for a year from donating.

Ellenripleysalienbaby · 30/03/2018 13:11

Oh I was going to ask, is it preferable as well to give blood to someone of the same sex, but I see that's been answered.

Wow, so it seems that its fairly important that the biological sex of someone is noted correctly then?

What the hell is going on then? Do feelings just trump medical biology now then?

Squishysquirmy · 30/03/2018 23:19

"Why cant people who are at higher risk just not donate ?"

Exactly.

I m not allowed to donate blood, due to having had a blood transfusion myself. I could lie on the form and donate anyway, (the risk is not so great) if I was to decide that I know better than those who make the rules, and that the rules don't need to apply to me. But I'm not a twat.

People who do this piss me off - its so selfish, yet its masquerading as a selfless act: You get the warm, fuzzy feeling feeling of a "good deed" and to hell with the potential risks to the people receiving the blood. I have enormous respect for people who donate blood, but not for those who lie on the forms whilst doing so.

The "feelings" of a donor (no matter how they identify) should never trump safety.

PencilsInSpace · 31/03/2018 00:13

Of course it's dangerous.

To really enjoy the massive headfucking cognitive dissonance on this, let's celebrate the announcement that men-who-have-sex-with-men will now only have to wait 3 months to give blood in the same press release as the govt. announced their commitment to reforming the GRA.

Here it is.

waterlego6064 · 31/03/2018 00:18

Yes, it can be dangerous. Blood from women who have been pregnant (ever in their lives) can be dangerous for men. I don’t understand how, but it was in the press very recently.

waterlego6064 · 31/03/2018 00:25

Oh, hang on, realise now you’re talking about a trans woman. Yes, the questions about anal sex/gay sex are going to throw up invalid results from trans people who insist on lying about their biology on the form.

Xenophile · 31/03/2018 00:43

And is that twitter account actually affiliated with the Lib Dems or have they just used the name?

It's not just affiliated with, it is run and posted on by a few of the main committee of LDLGBT+.

ReanimatedSGB · 31/03/2018 00:58

I thought the rule against gay men giving blood had been scrapped now. Because it was discriminatory. (For one thing, a lot of gay men don't actually have anal sex.)

I do agree that people who know they have done something moderately risky should simply not give blood. I stopped for ages because every time they came round, I had just had a tattoo or piercing or been somewhere percieved as high-risk.

NotTerfNorCis · 31/03/2018 11:26

Jane Fae is on the case right now.

'For a trans woman to tick the woman box when giving blood is - horrors! - illegal (nope), dangerous (nope), could kill someone (nope), putting her own self-authentication ahead of others (nope).'

He doesn't seem to be addressing the 'man who has sex with men' question.

CircleSquareCircleSquare · 31/03/2018 16:25

Jane Fae is wrong.

GenderApostate · 31/03/2018 17:09

It’s utterly disgusting that the blood transfusion service don’t operate on the basis of Sex.

We are at a point where a Man who says he’s a Woman and has sex with Men donates blood that could be given to a pregnant Woman, endangering not only her but also her baby.

Ellenripleysalienbaby · 31/03/2018 17:12

God Jane Fae really is full of shit aren't they? All this analysis, risk assessment etc. just so some men can be validated as something they are not.

Tbh, I don't care if the risk of something bad happening from someone putting the wrong sex on their form is 1 in 1, 1 in 2, 1 in 10, 1 in 1000 or 1 in a billion: if you are not female don't fucking put that you are female on the form.

The TRAs always come out with the 'jeez, how are chromosomes/DNA even relevant' line, but then even when they might be, they still try and argue that it doesn't matter.

Xenophile · 31/03/2018 17:14

Jane "domestic murder is just some light domestic violence gone wrong" Fae is incorrect.

And an arse.

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