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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

NEXT have said they will make ALL toilets unisex. No more female toilets.

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JenniferJames · 29/03/2018 12:16

Any Next customers feel like contacting them about this? On twitter as @nextofficial

The rights of women and girls to be safe and have privacy and dignity trumps the rights of men to have their 'gender identities' validated. The law says so, see Equalities Act 2010, sex-based exemptions.

Do your thing Mighty Mumsnet.

NEXT have said they will make ALL toilets unisex. No more female toilets.
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LemonScentedStickyBat · 29/03/2018 12:17

I’ll bet each of those is a separate enclosed cubicle

newdocket · 29/03/2018 12:18

I'm not seeing where they say ALL toilets will be unisex.

Step · 29/03/2018 12:19

Do what thing? A closed cubicle with door to the bottom... where's the problem? Lived abroad long enough.... nah nothing to see here.

Trumpdump · 29/03/2018 12:19

To be fair, 95% of the responses are telling them they don't want this.

TheDetectorist · 29/03/2018 12:21

They seem to be saying in that specific store both toilets (presumably two separate lockable rooms rather than room with lots of cubicles) will become unisex. Seems to make sense otherwise the accessible baby change facilities can only be used by one group of people. Surely we need to pick our battle and not jump in like this at every perceived slight against women. Next are taking the correct action!

OldCrone · 29/03/2018 12:25

I’ll bet each of those is a separate enclosed cubicle
Apparently not. According to the previous thread on here the baby change one (which is also the 'unisex' toilet) has a standard cubicle inside (with gaps), with a non-lockable outer door; the male/disabled one is a fully enclosed lockable cubicle. So this is an improvement, as previously they indicated that only men deserved real privacy.

TheDetectorist · 29/03/2018 12:25

Should say ‘accessible & baby change’

FuriousKnitter · 29/03/2018 12:26

Where are female disabled people supposed to go then?

CircleSquareCircleSquare · 29/03/2018 12:28

There is no way Next will have the time or money to make all of their toilets into individual cubicles without gaps.

I can think of 3 Next stores locally (I hate their clothes but their disabled loo is always clean) where the toilets are divided into 3 rooms. One for women (3-4 cubicles with gaps at the top and bottom) and a baby chance, a disabled loo in a separate room and a men’s loo with what my DS says is a urinal and couple of cubicles (I doubt he’d be observant enough to note if there is a baby change too).

These are stores with cafes.

JenniferJames · 29/03/2018 12:39

'I'm not seeing where they say ALL toilets will be unisex.'

Fair point. I probably over-egged it. But why did this happen? I can only assum that Next has ALREADY decided on a policy of having ALL gender neutral toilets for new facilities (and why wouldn't they given the trans zeitgeist).

If this is the case then it needs nipping in the bud.

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mummybear701 · 29/03/2018 12:47

tbh if a toilet is single occupancy I don't think it matters who uses it or what sign is on the door, as long as they are left in decent condition for the next user. I would be more conscious in a larger toilet with lots of cubicles if there were men or crossdressers (TG who are not really TG).

TheQueenOfWands · 29/03/2018 12:48

Isn't NEXT closing down anyway?

Won't be a problem for long.

Vickxy · 29/03/2018 13:34

I don't care about unisex toilets as long as they are separate contained cubicles. Kind of like how accessible toilets are now. So I will wait and see how the setup is I think. I would imagine most businesses would just say that their original loos were going unisex though, rather than spending cash to make it safer for women.

TERFragetteCity · 29/03/2018 16:53

Just had this on Twitter...

NEXT have said they will make ALL toilets unisex. No more female toilets.
pjdays · 29/03/2018 17:10

This was on twitter earlier

NEXT have said they will make ALL toilets unisex. No more female toilets.
BlackeyedSusan · 29/03/2018 17:49

They are installing a lock though on the other one.

NotDavidTennant · 29/03/2018 18:06

@JenniferJames 'But why did this happen?'

Looking at the layout on the image, I would guess that the unisex toilet was originally the women's toilet but then someone realised that they might be accused of sexism if only women had access to the baby change facility so had the idea of changing the women's toilet to 'unisex'. Sexism problem solved! Hmm

HangtheblessedDJ · 29/03/2018 18:08

Argh, we'll all be raped immediately.

BeyondThePage · 29/03/2018 18:12

Toilets? in Next? would have though that was a shoplifters paradise. Our local one certainly doesn't have any.

Degu · 29/03/2018 18:14

My local John Lewis has two unisex toilets and on the few occasions I've used them the seats and floor have been covered in piss. Obviously I don't know whether male or females are responsibility for this but generally women's toilets are pretty clean so although I agree it's important to pick your battles, I'd still prefer single sex toilets given the choice.

SirVixofVixHall · 29/03/2018 18:16

I hate sharing a loo with men, even if it is a single lockable one, and the doors full length. Men wee all over the floor, and there have been cases of cameras stuck to the walls of changing rooms. With a communal larger space, I wouldn’t feel safe at all in quiet times. Anyone could push you into a cubicle.

MrGHardy · 29/03/2018 19:01

I don't understand unisex toilets. Surely TRAs don't want them either, if they see themselves as women, they should want women's toilets, but just be allowed in. So either, they are saying well we didn't really care about women's toilets anyway, we never wanted women to have theirs that's why we want unisex, or they are saying, if we can't join in, we don't want women to have them either. Both of which are nothing but misogyny.

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