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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

He gets it!

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picklemepopcorn · 24/03/2018 07:26

I think he gets it.
Interesting video here from Lucy/Luke.

"Male, female and everything in between" - BBC Newsapple.news/AwV7oKlekT2CoAniEqYvqiQ

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picklemepopcorn · 24/03/2018 07:27

Ah, sorry, that link won't work. It's a video on BBC about someone who started to transition then stopped.

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picklemepopcorn · 24/03/2018 07:29

Try this.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/stories-43515976/male-female-and-everything-in-between

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Datun · 24/03/2018 08:39

That's very interesting. Because he does totally get it.

Despite not having a clue about feminist theory, he has come to the conclusion that wanting to express himself in a feminine way doesn't mean he's female. He's evidently had a lot of self analysis to come to that result. I can't help thinking that a bit of feminism 101 would have done the trick in half the time.

But, very tellingly, he has retained a female name and likes to appear ambiguous. I don't personally see this necessarily as an expression of his femininity, but more a need to appear ambiguous so that his feminity consequently goes unquestioned by outsiders.

It feels, to me, as though he wants people's perception of him to be slightly confused, which gives him permission to be feminine, rather than his appearance being a natural expression of femininity.

Although, it's probably a bit of both.

And I quite like his apparent relaxed 'chillness' over this new personal self expression.

That really does feel to me like a man who wants to express femininity, with little, if any, other motive.

Interesting. Thanks.

Neolara · 24/03/2018 08:49

Really interesting film.

OohMavis · 24/03/2018 09:04

I wonder if they are being targeted for abuse for this.

NotAgainYoda · 24/03/2018 09:24

I don't know much about feminist theory, so forgive me if this is patently bleeding obvious, but what I see in my lifetime (mid-40's) is gender stereotypes becoming more entrenched as Womens' rights and Gay rights and opportunities have grown. It's the ultimate Backlash, it seems to me. "Yes you have rights, but we'll make sure no-one forgets that as well as being able to be a surgeon, you must make yourself acceptable to look at. To make up for the undisputible fact of your intellect. So you can still be judged if you fall short. It's a "boxing up" of people; just in different ways.

And men: 'Yes, you can take a share in parenting; you can express your emotions; show vulnerability. But in return you must define yourself as 'feminine" and see and be seen as 'other'

picklemepopcorn · 24/03/2018 15:50

I think he has stayed with Lucy because he is no longer Luke. Luke attempted to fulfil expectations of masculinity, Lucy doesn't have to. In a kinder world, Luke could have been just as Lucy is now without the trauma they had to go through.

I really appreciated Lucy's insight to their own energy and what that might mean- and not mean!

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Ekphrasis · 24/03/2018 15:54

I was going to post this film. I felt they got it too but could do with a bit more time to understand all perspectives.

I found it interesting he/ they found it hardest to deal with expectations of being a woman. Welcome to the club!

Ekphrasis · 24/03/2018 15:55

(Not that he's in the club, but you know what I mean!)

Datun · 24/03/2018 16:10

His dancing was an expression of his femininity. Which he only felt able to do by identifying as a woman.

It's such a shame.

I'm glad he got there in the end.

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