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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Stereotypes

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fascinated · 22/03/2018 12:19

Is part of the problem the fact that most of us probably were raised in a reasonably “gender-neutral”, “enlightened” way, such that sex role stereotypes didn’t have too much impact on us? I certainly wasn’t aware of much pressure to look, behave or dress in a certain way growing up, and being not particularly attractive and a bit swotty I happily sailed through school and university more or less oblivious to pressure to be “feminine”... My early career in a conservative profession was reasonably sexism free and I felt respected (sexual assault and pregnancy etc obviously a different story- but that’s down to biology, not gender). It would never have occurred to me that sex role stereotypes were so fiercely policed that I would have had to “cross over” to the other “gender” to express myself. (disclaimer of course - boys wanting to do stereotypically girls’ things probably fared less well ). For background I was born mid-70s to middle class, educated parents with a mother in particular who was critical of limitations on women at the time... A background that many of our successful female politicians probably share - relevant? Other than the fact that many of them are not mothers (no judgment - just noting a fact, which means different experiences for them)

I think this is why I just don’t get “trans”. It’s so obvious to me that the sex role stereotypes are the issue, not the bodies. But are these stereotypes so pervasive in wider society that most folk cannot see past them and thus “understand” why someone would “need” to transition? Is T ideology not just capitulating to sex role ie gender stereotyping? If so, are we fighting a losing battle given that these are so firmly embedded ?

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Patodp · 22/03/2018 12:28

I think things were different growing up in the 70s.
Fresh from the "Burn our bras" ethos.
No pink lego or pink Biros. Pink everything for girls...
Porn was not prevalent. It existed but was very underground.

I believe Trans ideology is part of the backlash to put women back in our place after a taste of liberation.

fascinated · 22/03/2018 12:32

I think once kids start actually start declaring they are the opposite sex in classrooms and parents get wind of it (cf. thread on “world gone bonkers” currently running on main mumsnet board) people will eventually start to question what is going on. Well, hopefully anyway.

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swivelchair · 22/03/2018 12:38

I think there's a fair bit of just not questioning too.

I had to wear a skirt to primary school. I hated wearing skirts, but it just never occurred to anyone that there was an option. I escaped the summer dresses by wearing a polo and a skirt made out of the same fabric, but that was as far as anyone thought to push.

fascinated · 22/03/2018 12:47

That reminds me. We weren’t allowed trousers. Even in the depths of winter. Or, you could wear trousers but you had to then wear your skirt on top (uncomfortable much?! No leggings in those days). My mother thought this was ridiculous and told me so, but I don’t think it occurred to my parents that it could be questioned with school. They were vocal about questioning other big things though eg my mother complained about the bank not letting her have a mortgage in her own name even when she was the earner (my younger father was still a student). I’m shocked that boys’ and girls’ uniform rules are still enforced - to that extent I welcome much of the “gender neutral” initiatives - it’s the further step to then say these kids are the other gender that I find incredible and unnecessary.

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fascinated · 22/03/2018 12:47

To clarify : she complained TO the bank.

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fascinated · 22/03/2018 12:51

Apologies for the multiple posts - I’m developing my thoughts as I mull this over...

If this nonsense takes child we have to be even better at teaching kids to be assertive. To complain about unacceptable behaviour. That’s why the “hate crime” / not telling fellow pupils/parents aspect is so chilling. We MUST challenge that. I hope the school toilets situation leads to a test case.

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