Nicky Campbell 5Live discussion on self-ID

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Link here www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b09vznjh (from about 10 mins on)

A calm and collected debate, and I cheered a little at hearing the words "period", "penis" and "flooding" on national radio. Though it was a real shame that Campbell started on the "surely very small numbers would abuse it" and "there has been hysteria on both sides" stuff

We sooooo need to broaden the debate from the sole focus being abuse based objections. Whilst safety is an important issue, so is dignity and privacy.
I don't hear an upswell of demand to abolish same-sex provision.
Society and our laws recognise that in some situations, same-sex provision is desirable for affording males and females with safety, privacy and dignity.
Even if no-one 'abused' the law/system, there are other significant reasons for women to want same sex provision.
If people want to argue the case that a given provision should not be same-sex, this isn't a trans issue. I
If they agree with the same -sex provision, they need to acknowledge that the moment they allow someone with a male-sexed body in to a provision designated for female-sexed bodies, it not longer is a same-sex provision!

Yes, I think you're right Mrs. I did come away from listening to this programme thinking that it's like trying to put the lid back on the bottle after the genie's out though - we have conceded top much to get properly single sex spaces back, haven't we?

I'm listening to the interview and it started off pretty awful - the Trans guy sets the agenda (it's an internal experience that can't be questioned or critiqued, only a tiny percentage of men will abuse this, no big deal, no problems in other countries, abuse can't really happen, GRCerts not important and not used at present, gender equality act allows trans to use whatever bathroom they want already etc etc), the presenter agrees, the woman says very little and when she does seem to agree with the Transgender agenda - Rebecca does not seem to be GC.

Rebecca says she's not trans exclusionary and seems to confuse the issues by questioning what it is to be a woman. There's a down playing of all the safety issues and the experience of being female comes down to having periods….

Lucy Masoud came on as a breath of fresh air - parts of Gender Recognition Act are ridiculous and need changing, what about men who self id with no gender dysphoria etc etc, women don't want to get changed in front of guys - she still says guys with GR cert should be allowed in changing rooms etc

RR criticises feminists who refused to appear for fear of violence or losing jobs.

Sally comes on phone and articulates the devaluing of women's experiences by guys being able to self id and that a 2 year process is not demeaning or arduous and women go through much worse on a daily basis

A Trans identifying person comes on and totally dismisses any misgivings of women and says that there's no problems any where-else, TERFs spearheading moral panic and Trans been around for years and no problem and
then asserts there are very different ways of being a woman - not just biological - trans women are not lesser women because they weren't born women!!!!

gotta stop as I am so angry. No-one quotes stats about male violence and female victims .....aarrrhhhhhhh!!!

Most appeasing Trans - and their feelings are not facts